Ken, Is there a standard location(s) on the forewing for microscopic examination of the scales of Eupsilia spp? Or does it matter? MPG provides a key for Eupsilia, but doesn’t address location: http://mothphotographersgroup.msstate.edu/MothTalkDownload/MothTalk010.htm There was a Eupsilia submission to bugguide from Maryland yesterday, so they’re likely flying here soon. ~ Doug Anderson Co., TN From: kjchilds Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:20 AM To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Eupsilia It would be great if others got involved in taking these close-up shots so we could compare notes. I've heard that the reniform on E. vinulenta is usually flat-ish on the bottom so if that spot is round, it's probably not vinulenta. I haven't examined enough to know if this holds true but others that have examined hundreds say it does. Those others are in Michigan so it's possible what they are seeing is a regional variation. I've also noticed that vinulenta has a dirtier look to it. Again, I haven't examined enough to say that holds true. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> To: TN-Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:54 PM Subject: [tn-moths] Eupsilia I've been trying to ID the Eupsilia spp. I've been seeing here by taking close-up shots of their wing scales. It turns out that most of what I've been calling Eupsilia vinulenta are most likely a species that for now is known as Eupsilia sp. "near Sidus". By Looking at these photos, you can see why Eupsilia vinulenta is called the Straight-Toothed Sallow. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/FinishFlagFarmsMoths http://www.finishflagfarms.com