[THIN] Re: windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops. ..
- From: "Lilley, Brian" <brian.lilley@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:50:13 +0100
Thanks Andrew, I think I will turn the nice stuff off, but enable the XP look
and feel which I think is really cr@p anyway, its like its designed for
babies... ho hum..
cheers, Brianos
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Dogers
Sent: 12 October 2004 11:42
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops...
(GMail didnt like your reply Brian, it made it into a new thread for
some reason :) )
The policy changes between nothing and let windows decide (ie, do
whatcha can to look pretty, but go borderline on chugging!)
Andrew
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:53:39 +1000, Rick Mack <rick.mack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Sorry, came on a bit heavy.
>
> There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the XP interface, except for the
huge waste involved in supporting visual effects. Get a really old machine and
run XP on it with My Computer > properties > advanced > performance set to
either best appearance or best performance. Where CPU is limited, it makes a
huge difference to the perception of speed.
>
> However there's nothing wrong with the XP user interface once animations are
disabled.
>
> Just include the following unmanaged policy snippet in your TS policy
templates, disable visual effects and you can have the best of both worlds.
>
> --------------------------
> CLASS USER
>
> CATEGORY "Visual Effects"
> KEYNAME "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\VisualEffects"
> POLICY "Visual Effects"
> PART "Disable Visual Effects" CHECKBOX
> VALUENAME "VisualFXSetting"
> VALUEOFF NUMERIC 0
> VALUEON NUMERIC 2
> END PART
> END POLICY
>
> END CATEGORY ; visual effects
> -----------------------
>
> regards,
>
> Rick
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lilley, Brian
> Sent: Tue 12/10/2004 6:39 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops...
>
> Hi Mark, many thanks for your response
>
>
> some comments inline....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Mack [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Rick
Mack
> Sent: 11 October 2004 23:57
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [THIN] windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP
desktops...
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Calling the XP interface a "rich" user interface is actually quite
correct. It costs a lot more and aside from making things pretty, adds nothing
to the functionality of the base item. Efficient and functional is beautiful
too.
> [Lilley, Brian] very true indeed.
>
> There are 2 good reasons for not even considering running any of the
special effects on terminal services. The first is an increased CPU overhead
and the second a significant bandwidth utilization increase. ANY animation, be
it fades or whatever has an overhead and across a WAN will produce a perceived
reduction in performance. Updating bitmaps takes cpu, bandwidth and time.
> [Lilley, Brian] I totally agree, that a TS design should cut out
unnecessary flashy gizmos, but, at the same time we can't remain with legacy
look and feel. Is the XP look and feel really going to cost that much?
>
> Log in via a WAN connection, use Excel, enable "feedback with
animation" and insert a column in a spreadsheet. Now do it with "feedback wih
animation" turned off. Which one's better?
> [Lilley, Brian] I totally agree.
>
> Users will complain a lot less about a plain user interface than
they will if it's slow.
> [Lilley, Brian] Absolutely, however will the XP look and feel cost
that much?
>
> The latest client, with MPS 3.0 does support other skins for
seamless apps, but that overhead is largely borne at the client end so doesn't
have a significant effect on performance.
> [Lilley, Brian] ah, ok... so does that mean we can have XP look and
feel at little cost.
>
> regards,
>
> Rick
>
> Ulrich Mack
> Volante Systems
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lilley, Brian
> Sent: Mon 11/10/2004 11:43 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops...
>
> hi list,
>
> I understand that the XP theme is not available by default on
windows 2003
> servers. I assume this is because you don't need a rich user
interface on a
> server. Ok, well if that server is a terminal server then you do
potentially
> want that rich interface (for well connected ICA/RDP clients).
>
> So, my question is this, does anyone know the level of overhead
required for
> the XP look and feel relative to the classic stylie? I guess the
overhead
> here is two fold, firstly, one CPU overhead to render rounded
corners and
> other XP 'stuff'... and the other overhead is in transmitting this
down an ICA
> channel, i.e. does it actually require additional bandwidth.
>
> Also, what would happen with transparent windowy bits I understand
the win32
> client released with FR3 for xp included support for LUNA (.net)
seamless
> apps, although ... I've never tried it...
>
> any thoughts on the subject appreciated...
>
> Brianos :o)
>
>
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