[THIN] Re: windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops...
- From: Dogers <dogers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:47:32 +0100
Ooh, further to that, it seems it turns off literally EVERYTHING - no
font smoothing (cleartype or standard!), no full window while moving,
the works :o
Andrew
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:42:02 +0100, Dogers <dogers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> (GMail didnt like your reply Brian, it made it into a new thread for
> some reason :) )
>
> The policy changes between nothing and let windows decide (ie, do
> whatcha can to look pretty, but go borderline on chugging!)
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:53:39 +1000, Rick Mack <rick.mack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > Sorry, came on a bit heavy.
> >
> > There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the XP interface, except for the
> > huge waste involved in supporting visual effects. Get a really old machine
> > and run XP on it with My Computer > properties > advanced > performance set
> > to either best appearance or best performance. Where CPU is limited, it
> > makes a huge difference to the perception of speed.
> >
> > However there's nothing wrong with the XP user interface once animations
> > are disabled.
> >
> > Just include the following unmanaged policy snippet in your TS policy
> > templates, disable visual effects and you can have the best of both worlds.
> >
> > --------------------------
> > CLASS USER
> >
> > CATEGORY "Visual Effects"
> > KEYNAME "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\VisualEffects"
> > POLICY "Visual Effects"
> > PART "Disable Visual Effects" CHECKBOX
> > VALUENAME "VisualFXSetting"
> > VALUEOFF NUMERIC 0
> > VALUEON NUMERIC 2
> > END PART
> > END POLICY
> >
> > END CATEGORY ; visual effects
> > -----------------------
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lilley, Brian
> > Sent: Tue 12/10/2004 6:39 PM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops...
> >
> > Hi Mark, many thanks for your response
> >
> >
> > some comments inline....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Mack [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Rick
> > Mack
> > Sent: 11 October 2004 23:57
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [THIN] windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP
> > desktops...
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > Calling the XP interface a "rich" user interface is actually quite
> > correct. It costs a lot more and aside from making things pretty, adds
> > nothing to the functionality of the base item. Efficient and functional is
> > beautiful too.
> > [Lilley, Brian] very true indeed.
> >
> > There are 2 good reasons for not even considering running any of
> > the special effects on terminal services. The first is an increased CPU
> > overhead and the second a significant bandwidth utilization increase. ANY
> > animation, be it fades or whatever has an overhead and across a WAN will
> > produce a perceived reduction in performance. Updating bitmaps takes cpu,
> > bandwidth and time.
> > [Lilley, Brian] I totally agree, that a TS design should cut out
> > unnecessary flashy gizmos, but, at the same time we can't remain with
> > legacy look and feel. Is the XP look and feel really going to cost that
> > much?
> >
> > Log in via a WAN connection, use Excel, enable "feedback with
> > animation" and insert a column in a spreadsheet. Now do it with "feedback
> > wih animation" turned off. Which one's better?
> > [Lilley, Brian] I totally agree.
> >
> > Users will complain a lot less about a plain user interface than
> > they will if it's slow.
> > [Lilley, Brian] Absolutely, however will the XP look and feel cost
> > that much?
> >
> > The latest client, with MPS 3.0 does support other skins for
> > seamless apps, but that overhead is largely borne at the client end so
> > doesn't have a significant effect on performance.
> > [Lilley, Brian] ah, ok... so does that mean we can have XP look and
> > feel at little cost.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > Ulrich Mack
> > Volante Systems
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lilley, Brian
> > Sent: Mon 11/10/2004 11:43 PM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] windows 2003 seamless apps running on XP desktops...
> >
> > hi list,
> >
> > I understand that the XP theme is not available by default on
> > windows 2003
> > servers. I assume this is because you don't need a rich user
> > interface on a
> > server. Ok, well if that server is a terminal server then you do
> > potentially
> > want that rich interface (for well connected ICA/RDP clients).
> >
> > So, my question is this, does anyone know the level of overhead
> > required for
> > the XP look and feel relative to the classic stylie? I guess the
> > overhead
> > here is two fold, firstly, one CPU overhead to render rounded
> > corners and
> > other XP 'stuff'... and the other overhead is in transmitting this
> > down an ICA
> > channel, i.e. does it actually require additional bandwidth.
> >
> > Also, what would happen with transparent windowy bits I understand
> > the win32
> > client released with FR3 for xp included support for LUNA (.net)
> > seamless
> > apps, although ... I've never tried it...
> >
> > any thoughts on the subject appreciated...
> >
> > Brianos :o)
> >
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