Our servers reboot nightly, we are on 1.8 and NT4. I have seen this occur where the server doesn't shutdown, but often times when we have to manually reboot a server because the Ibrowser service hangs, OR we get a Termserv.exe crash or Dr. watson error. Are those servers all Load balanced? With a lot of them Sharing applications? I think you mentioned that. One thing I noticed was that if we have a username that is 20 characters long, it can cause problems. I have seen that take out a server, the person tries to login again, gets the next server and poof, takes it out as well. Something you might want to check. -----Original Message----- From: Pardee, Michael P. [mailto:MPardee@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:30 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Try and explain this one to *your* boss nt4. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:10 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Try and explain this one to *your* boss You don't say which OS you use. I used to have this with some win2k boxes a long time ago. I think it was before SP1. The tsshutdn cmd (if you use that) did not always seem to work properly. Switch to shutdown.exe form the resource kit. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pardee, Michael P. Sent: 05 September 2004 20:35 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Try and explain this one to *your* boss Thanks Greg. I will check on that. No IMA in 1.8 though, but maybe the program neighborhood and ica browser services could be worth looking at. Maybe even the xml service. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:52 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Try and explain this one to *your* boss I don't know if this helps any Michael but I found when this happened to my servers, it was because someone was logged in at the console on the affected server. This happened to me with NT 4 TSE and Windows 2000 both with MF XP. It has not happened with Win2003. I doubt you had 36 consoles logged into but it might help explain the occasional one or two servers this happens with. I wonder if it might help to have your shutdown script stop the ima service and some other services before the shutdown command. Greg On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:30:08 -0400, Pardee, Michael P. <mpardee@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > We still have around 90 MF 1.8 servers. We have rebooted them nightly > for years. Every once in a while we'll have one or two that don't > finish the shutdown.exe process we use and we have to manually boot > it. Everything else about the server is fine, you can ping it, net > view it, etc. You just can't access it with rdp or ica. > > No big deal, we've learned to live with it after all these years. > > Then this morning's sleep was interrupted with a priority 1 ticket > about people not being able to access most of the published > apps/desktops we have. > We found 36 servers in this state this morning. All at the same time. > Nothing, and I mean nothing, was changed the day before, so it wasn't > caused by any changes we made. > > Thankfully we have a 24x7 Operations staff that we could call and give > them a lit to reboot, but it was painful. 36 servers. Man I can't > wait until > 1.8 is behind us forever. 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