*bah* No dice. Reapplied SP6 and the two RPC patches. I get the same errors, Metaframe COM Server won't start, and we can't connect over ICA, even though the services are started. I'll keep pluggin' along to see if I can find something else out. Thanks for your help. Jen -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong, Robert [mailto:robert.armstrong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:52 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Strange Problem after Applying MS03-039 Patch Try re-applying Windows NT SP6a and then the security patch. That may repair any damage that was done and get you back on your feet again. -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Booth [mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:46 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Strange Problem after Applying MS03-039 Patch Heya Brian - and anyone else that might be able to help! I haven't gotten very far in my troubleshooting, as I don't have debug priveleges as yet. But it seems that the mystery is deepening. Now, I'm getting error messages when I try to connect that it can't start termsrv.exe, mfcom.exe, etc. Application popup: termsrv.exe - Unable To Locate DLL : The dynamic link library ImaSystem.dll could not be found in the specified path. The DLL's are in the right place in the path, and the system is reporting the system root correctly. Is it possible that the registry is corrupted or something weird? It seems like I'm chasing ghosts. Thanks, Jen -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lilley [mailto:Brian.Lilley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Brian.Lilley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:04 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Strange Problem after Applying MS03-039 Patch I would use procexp from sysinternals on the server to see if the server actually manages to start the desired APP.EXE...and if it does, find out why it is dying. If the exe is starting then I would then use Dependency Walker which allows you to trace the startup of a program so that you can see exactly what it is doing. Also, using regmon.exe and filemon.exe also from systinternals will show you any file access problems or reg problems... Where this all falls apart is the fact that the program runs fine from within the desktop....so I would wonder what the difference is, I'm flakey on this Citrix stuff, but as far as I know, when an app is run within the context of a 'seamless windows', the app.exe is started up along with one wfshell thingy...not sure what that is, but my point is that perhaps the app.exe is struggling to start in this context... hopefully the sysinternal tools I have mentioned may help you... have fun... the sysinternal tools are well worth their weight in gold.... cheers, Brianos :o) -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Booth [mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] Sent: 17 September 2003 17:47 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Strange Problem after Applying MS03-039 Patch Yes, they run just fine locally... Just the publishing aspect doesn't seem to work. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lilley [mailto:Brian.Lilley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Brian.Lilley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:49 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Strange Problem after Applying MS03-039 Patch Hi Jennifer, are you able to run the application up from the desktop when that comes up? -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Booth [mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jennifer.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] Sent: 17 September 2003 16:57 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Cc: Wei-ming Mao Subject: [THIN] Strange Problem after Applying MS03-039 Patch Hi Gang - We are running into a problem on one of our servers after applying the latest RPCSS patch from Microsoft. The server is running Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition, Metaframe XP FR1. Since installing the patch, published applications aren't working, however, the published desktop *does*. When trying to run the app, all you get is the Initializing, and it dumps out right away, the application never comes up. But the desktop connects and comes up. Which is very strange. We did notice that about the time the patch was installed back on 9/10, the Metaframe COM Server ceased to start, and we can't get it to start at all. We get a 7009 Event ID from Service Control Manager, Timeout (120000 milliseconds) waiting for service to connect. We tried applying a KB article on Citrix's website that the Path variable was set incorrectly and found that it wasn't set at all. We copied over from the known good server and rebooted, but the service still didn't start. That's the kicker to this problem... We do have an identical server with the same setup and patching, only it works properly. Anyone have any good ideas for me? Thanks so much! Jennifer Jennifer Booth Sr. Network Engineer Peregrine Systems, Inc.