I don't think anyone should give up on anything. I think Softricity is a better technology and that fact is something I don't think anyone can argue. BUT that does not always mean it is what a customer wants or needs. I think Tarpon will have a place and some Citrix customers will buy it. You bet. I think the most important thing is that Citrix gets into this market. Then Microsoft might let them license the SoftGrid SystemGuard and then Citrix can make tarpon a application deployment management tool ad-on to SoftGrid, the way MetaFrame was/is to terminal services. If that happens then Citrix has the ability to sell a lot. Think of having the Citrix "access" tools manage all your application needs... Pretty cool eh? Or very expensive, we will see... So, as much of a fan of Softricity as I am, I still see a future for Tarpon. Not to mention a slew of Citrix partners will try to sell it no matter what. They are blind to a solution. They sale what they are told to sell. Just look at the Access Gateway. It is a nice piece of hardware but not as good as some of the competition. Right? BUT, it is #1. That is because of the Citrix customer base and the Citrix channel. The other thing to note is that Microsoft is cutting the price of Softricity and also throwing in Zero Touch and the SMS Connector for free. This is actually huge! I don't know what it will cost but if it is cheap enough then why go with anything else? The old Citrix argument on why you want them is... One vendor? NO, you already have Microsoft.... ;) Because Citrix is bigger? Not than Microsoft! J All in all, no way for Citrix to get out now.... And It will be fun to watch this play out.... Oh, the big looser = Altiris........................ not Citrix.... Oh, oh, Tarpon needs to work... it can't be half a$$... It needs to work as described. No more, it does this but really, you need to wait for the patch for that t work BS. IMHO Douglas A. Brown President and Chief Technology Officer Microsoft MVP, Windows Server DABCC, Inc. Phone: (954) 778-9558 Fax: (248) 479-0621 E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:59 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Softricity vs Tarpon Given that line of thought, Citrix should give up on Presentation Server given Terminal Server is built into the kernel. On 7/19/06, Chris Grecsek < cgrecsek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Seems to me that Citrix should pretty much give up on their virtualization technology given that M$ just bought Softricity and all signs point to M$ adding it to their core OS stack...any thoughts?