[THIN] Re: PS4 Lot slower logging in than XP Fr3 ?
- From: "Rick Mack" <Rick.Mack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:50:05 +1000
Hi Jeremy,
Mapping a LUN through to a SAN. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the
time, until the TS systems started getting momentary hangs etc. In the one case
I wasn't aware they'd done the VM migration until I checked the NIC settings
:-(
Told them they were crazy and to put things back the to way they were. Once
they did, things returned to acceptable.
If you didn't have to contend with stuff like antivirus the story might be
whole lot better, but as is you'll take a signifcant throughput hit putting a
file server on a VM. On a small enough site it won't matter.
regards,
Rick
Ulrich Mack
Volante Systems
Level 2, 30 Little Cribb Street
Coronation Drive Office Park
Milton Qld 4064
tel: +61 7 32431847
fax: +61 7 32431992
rick.mack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Sat 10/06/2006 10:49
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: PS4 Lot slower logging in than XP Fr3 ?
Interesting feedback Rick and Steve.
Was their "data" also in the VM, or were they mapping a LUN through to a
SAN where the data was seperately held? I was thinking of placing the
filesystem OS for a file server into a VM, but keeping the data separate.
Then there is an easy mechanism for DR of the file server. However, after
reading your posts, I'm wondering if we are better off using the old MS
clustering method.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
Global Technology Services (GTS)
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
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thin
That has been our experience as well, VMWare is not a good platform for
resources in which raw performance matters. It is ideal for consolidating a
lot of different server roles that demand little of hardware and therefore
gain more from sharing hardware.
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Of Rick Mack
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:15 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: PS4 Lot slower logging in than XP Fr3 ?
Hi Torben,
I have a couple of customers who tried to migrate their file servers to VMs
despite advice not to. Both came up with bad results particularly from a
serving terminal services viewpoint. Logins and general TS performance was
a
lot slower. Went back to "real" hardware and the perfromance issues
disappeared.
VMs are best for systems that don't do a lot of i/o or where a VM f/p
server
is only supporting a small number of users.
regards,
Rick
Ulrich Mack
Volante Systems
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Torben Claus
Sent: Fri 9/06/2006 23:28
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: PS4 Lot slower logging in than XP Fr3 ?
You are so right - our Fileserver went on VMWare and there are Bottlenecks
when sendings Data out of the VM.
The user environment log doesn't show significant slowdowns to me (it all
cost some time ;) )
- so i moved some Profiles out of the VM and voila the LogonTime goes
down...
Thx for Help and sorry for irritations...
On 3/31/06, Jeff Pitsch < <mailto:jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Have you enabled user environment debugging and looked to see where the
slowdown is coming from? My guess is there is something else that has
changed along with versions.
Jeff
On 3/31/06, Torben Claus < <mailto:torben.claus@xxxxxxxxx>
torben.claus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
thx Jeremy, Joe
- i got this Hotfix already...with no difference.
So the Problem is somewhere else...
Will follow this:
http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?ID=564
Maybe after this i can tell more...
On 3/29/06, M <mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not sure why you are confused about ntuser.pol standard ms stuff.
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/74635e11-a0e2-42e0-b3
c6-a5ccbc43c9311033.mspx
Quote:
An archive file on client computers that is updated each time the
Administrative Templates CSE sets a policy setting. As processing
completes,
an Ntuser.pol containing the history of applied registry based policies in
the Group Policy managed policies tree is written to the root of the user's
profile containing user policy settings and to the "all users" profile
containing computer policy settings.(%Allusersprofile% \ntuser.pol for
computer policy and %userprofile%\ntuser.pol for user policy.)
Ntconfig.pol is the old default NT4 policy file.
2003 PS4 is a tad faster.
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From:Andy <mailto:andysideas@xxxxxxxxx>
To:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:25 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: PS4 Lotslower logging in than XP Fr3 ?
I'm a little confused by this. How is ntuser.pol invovled ? Was that not
for
NT4 systems ?
Having said that, we also done testing similar to what you have done. We
then decided that the upgrade to PS4 would also include an upgrade to
Windows2003 SP1. Just completed the upgrade, very glad we did. Logins are
now faster like for like. Although with SP1 more GPO options are there if
you decide to enable them.
Have you tested Windows 2003 ?
Also you have not mentioned the client, but I take it the client was the
latest version 9xxx
On 3/29/06, M <mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Hello there,
I have been testing 2000 PS4 for some of our older legacy application
servers.
2000 PS4 + Rollup Fix 1 + Post Rollup Hotfixes
Identical OS build & Patches, Identical hardware. 4 Servers used to
compare.
PS4 takes double the amount of time to log in when compared with XP FR3
SP4.
I thought this was very strange.The servers in the same OU and compared
login times. I have turned all mappings off apart from clipboard mapping.
XP FR3 SP4 Servers take 10-20 seconds to log in. PS4 takes 45 seconds
upwards to log in.
After monitoring and recording sessions loggin in, i found that PS4 is as
quick as XP to establish a connection.
The login time takes longer as GPO policy processing is taking place.
This is also evident simply by looking at the "Enhanced" Login window.
Processing registry Policy takes an age (for test users anyway).
Filemon traces show that Winlogon spends longer looking at the resulting
ntuser.pol that appears in the users profile, than when compared with XP.
Anyone noticed this with PS4 ?
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