[THIN] Re: PCL5e or PCL6 printer drivers
- From: Torben Claus <torben.claus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:14:52 +0100
mpf? locally installed? whats up with NetworkPrinters?
(btw our "Thin"Clients dont get the drivers locally installed)
think after Douglas post (thanks) i will test the PCL6 tomorrow -
got it already installed on the Printserver and is imported on the TS -
but was to busy to test it...
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:54:00 -0500, Jason Patten <JasonP@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have noticed that when a person has the PCL 6 drivers locally installed and
> is on a windows XP machine that printing using a LaserJet 4 driver on the
> server side is extremely slow. On the order of one page or less per minute
> Jason
>
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> 670,616,629 mph. Its not just a good idea, its the law.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Douglas A. Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:19 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: PCL5e or PCL6 printer drivers
>
> This is a good question... PC5 vs. PCL6?
>
> As we already see from this thread PCL5 it is popular to say stay with
> PCL5 but why?
>
> What problems do you guys "really" see with PCL6 drivers? I would like to
> know.
>
> Some apps might actually take advantage of the PCL5 form overlay capability
> which is different in PCL XL (PCL6). So for this reason,
> PCL5 might be required and if not present then could cause an issue.
> Other than this issue, excluding perhaps the maturity of the driver code
> itself (PCL6 being somewhat newer), I have not seen any specific reason to
> recommend PCL5 drivers versus PCL6.
>
> The PCL XL (PCL6) format is substantially altered from prior PCL generations.
> It represents an imaging model that is more consistent with GDI's view of
> the world that that of its PCL predecessors. For devices that support it,
> PCL6 drivers are the only ones that HP is still investing resource in
> developing. PCL5 drivers are basically maintenance only for most laser
> printers these days.
>
> I talked to a friend who 110% understands the Citrix print subsystem that
> said, "I personally favor PCL6 drivers for the printers I use and have few
> problems...no more no less than PCL 5. PCL print jobs in general are somewhat
> leaner than PCL5 as well although the differences in job size are minor. So
> I'm not sure exactly where this recommendation is coming from."
>
> In looking over HP's site and in talking to people about this "best practice"
> I never get a, "well, I have this problem and I see it on all
> PCL6 drivers I use" or "the reason is because of..."
>
> This being said, I would like to know more about why people call this a best
> practice and what happens in your environment when you use a PCL 6 driver.
> From here I will try to dig deeper into the problem.
>
> But, I can't argue with people thinking or knowing that when they use
> PCL5 only they have less issues... If that is what you see then that is what
> you see.
>
> Please let me know what you really see when using PCL 6 drivers.
>
> DB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Schneider, Chad M
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:54 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: PCL5e or PCL6 printer drivers
>
> Difference:
>
> PCL5e = Good!
> PCL6 = Bad!
>
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Torben Claus
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:30 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: PCL5e or PCL6 printer drivers
>
> mmh - ok...i'll use PCL5e...
> But what is the difference between PCL5e and PCL6?
> Any links?
>
> Greetings.
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:35:09 -0600, Mike Semon <msemon@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I'll second that. We had more problems with PCL6 drivers. PCL5e
> > drivers are much more stable.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Chris Lynch
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:09 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: PCL5e or PCL6 printer drivers
> >
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> > I can tell you that we have been experiencing some major issues with
> > the PCL6 drivers. Both on our MF servers (Windows 2000 with SP3) and
> > on our F&P Clusters (Windows Server 2003).
> >
> > I would stay away from PCL6 drivers. Either stick with PCL5e, or
> > PostScript drivers.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > ________________________________
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> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Brian Hall
> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:46 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] PCL5e or PCL6 printer drivers
> >
> > I'm in the process of setting up a new Citrix XP PS FR3 farm
> > running on W2K3 servers. I've been using PCL6 drivers on my Citrix XP
>
> > FR2 server successfully with all apps including a financial app which
> > recommends PCL5e drivers. However, during peak usage times I've
> > observed frequent high cpu utilization from the spool.exe process.
> > Since I have the opportunity to do everything from scratch, I'm
> > investigating all options. From stability and performance
> > perspective, are there any arguments for standardizing on PCL5e
> > drivers when available and requiring users to match the driver? How
> > well does the new Citrix universal printer driver work? Has anyone
> > come across any best practice documentation for managing printer
> > drivers on the latest version of Citrix on W2K3?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Hall
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