[THIN] Re: OT: Citrix Automatic Update
- From: "Tony Lyne" <Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:15:02 +1200
Well said.=20
Im in the middle of scoping out a project for a large corporate here for =
MF XP, and Im not going to recommend XPe as it wont offer any extra =
value to them. XPa would be fine as they already have their investment =
in deployment tools with Zen 4, so why not use this.
The biggest problem I have with XPe is that the IM side is only a half =
solution.=20
IM only works on the Citrix level. When youre doing scripted/automated =
builds for clients for farms, why the heck would you want to fork out =
extra $$$ for something that doesn't deploy at the OS level.=20
Where if the client already has something like Altiris, Zen etc which =
will work on all levels and you can still offer the same roll back and =
change control features of IM plus more.
Rantmode =3D off
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 1:00 a.m.
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Citrix Automatic Update
Haven't done it to MetaFrame. But I figure it would work fine. I mean if
you aren't using IM for delivering applications then you could use the
Altiris just fine. Also if you don't use the RM piece and use a NetIQ or
MOM, etc.. you could go with XPa and have all the functionality (Have
done this will some clients) Any way I have pushed stuff with it to
other platforms it would just mean nailing down the process for those
boxes.
As for Citrix not liking it... Yeah well Citrix SEs and I have a Love
Hate=3D20
Relationship as it is. =3D20
In most really large environments the Citrix guys are somewhat separated
from the application packager and delivery guys (who are focused on
Workstations) and then in some cases they are even separated from the
server guys if you can believe that.=3D20
Anyway this leads to the Citrix teams in these environments maintaining
the corporate standards at a minimum and developing their own solutions
for apps and patching etc... So if any one wants to play with this and
upset Citrix let me know. I'll be happy to come work on a new solution
for Citrix server patching.
The problem I see with some of the SEs is that they have a mind set of
"If its not Citrix its not right". This basically translates into them
getting upset when you come up with a solution for a customer and use
components that fit the clients needs but aren't all Citrix. (such as
deploying Citrix fixes via altiris or applications via softricity etc).
What they don't understand is that you are enabling a client to meet
their goals and be successfully with their software. They should be
happy instead of upset but I find all to often that I am at odds with my
regional SEs over these things.
Well I will end my Rant here </RANT>, with the addition that there are
several great Citrix SEs that don't do this, they believe in great
solutions (you know who you are) but not all.
Ron
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Lyne [mailto:Tony.Lyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:37 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Citrix Automatic Update
Ron,
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Have you guys ever used tools like Altiris to roll out hotfixes etc?
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Were finding a few clients are piggy backing on their investment already
made in Altiris, to cut down the extra licensing costs for purchasing
Xpe. That is provided they dont want the RMS component of XPe.
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Citrix dont like this though.
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Tony.
-----Original Message-----=3D20
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Wed 25/06/2003 8:41 a.m.=3D20
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
Cc:=3D20
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Citrix Automatic Update
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Not really. I do download the Citrix hotfixes as MSI's then
deploy them
directly using IM to the other servers.
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Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
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RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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-----Original Message-----
From: Claus, Brian [mailto:BClaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:36 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] OT: Citrix Automatic Update
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Here's a thought...
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Does Citrix or anyone else have any utilities out there to
update Citrix
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XP hotfixes and service packs ala Microsoft's
www.office.microsoft.com =3D3D
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or www.windowsupdate.com? =3D3D3D20
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I think it would be great if they have\had such a
utility...especially =3D3D
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if it were to d\l 1x and then deployed throughout the farm
through =3D3D3D
publisher.
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Thoughts?
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