-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If your desktop group wants a good application to push out software, then look at Intel LanDesk 6.2. There are other apps out there that work ALOT better than ZenWorks (Zen it is not). I know that there is Marimba, and someone made a mention of another application that will push out software (I believe the topic was pushing software to MetaFrame servers). Hell, try to manage a Novell box, and it's harder to manage than a Windows 2000/2003 server. Also, try to effectively manage a Novell environment with WMI or VBScript. Very limited (for very good reasons). Chris - -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Fraser [mailto:fraserc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:25 PM To: lynch00@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks Chris, Thanks for your interest! My boss hit me with this today. Our desktop management is moving to ZenWorks. My boss feels that if we can get rid of AD the 2K servers will be easier to manage. Also a Netware saleman got management hot on the idea. I already explained that this will mean a total re-engineering of how Citrix is deployed. My boss wants hard proof though. Charlie Chris Lynch wrote: - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know where you can get horror stories, I just know from experience, and other case studies. There are case studies on Microsoft's site and NetIQ's site. Both are well done. You need to explain that if you want to go to NDS, you will still have to have an NT domain. Period. You will find that you will run into issues if you don't. That is, if your FP servers and other servers that are going to contain data are not Novell servers. If they are going to be Windows NT/2000 based, you will have an extreme administrative overhead. Managing multiple user accounts. Can I ask why management is considering going to NDS and NOT AD? I feel that I could better help you if I knew that. Chris - - -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Fraser [mailto:fraserc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:23 PM To: lynch00@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [THIN] Re: NDS and Zenworks Chris, Management is considering it. We aren't having problems persay. We currently have LDAP, NDS and AD. They want to look at getting rid of AD all together for ease of use and consolidation. I am gathering preliminary data. I agree that in an existing enviroment a change at this point will be very costly in time, consulting and learning curve. I have to prove it now. Any idea where I can get case studies. horror stories??????? Charlie Chris Lynch wrote: =20 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why are you getting rid of AD? What problems are you having? I would = never recommend ANYONE going to NDS over AD. Chris - - -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Charlie Fraser Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:02 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] NDS and Zenworks We are considering getting rid of Active Directory in favor of NDS and=20 use ZenWorks to manage our Citrix server. Does anyone run NDS and or=20 Zenworks now? How much of a pain is it going to be to transition 6=20 servers and about 200 users? Thoughts? Opinions? Charlie ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - Emergent Online EOL's Universal Printer new Features include: Network Printing, Pagestreaming, 2400 DPI. 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