[Sigh]Let me add also my 0.2 and the last comments from my side on this subject. I agree on the statements from all of you where the freedom of speech is involved in this group. However, a business owner should try to give (position/salary/401k etc) people what they want to make/keep keep them happy. Happy employees are fun to work with, productive, think out of the box - all for the better of everyone and the company. Whenever someone wants a job, he/she should know what a companies salary budget is for that position, what the position is all about, if/what possible growth there might be and then judge if you want to go for it or not. If a company is doing good/better/best because of employees being a beneficial asset and working their guts off a company should recognize that. Let me ask if anyone offered a company to pay them less salary when it doesn't go well or when they are not functioning well? Rewards in money or other beneficial ways is one - but mutual respect and responsibility are as important to a human also. Sure that does not pay your bills... All of the above however does not apply if someone is not satisfied with their job for just the reason of money. If you simply cannot pay the bills, but you love your job, ask yourself if you put your living standard to high? My point is that first of all the person involved changing/seeking a job should seek something they really want to do, when it comes to salary you should be able to look at it from a personal perspective and not reflect on amounts what others might get out the industry/friends or whomever your reference is. After all you are signing the contract and should try to sell your skin as high as possible! In the end both parties should be happy... Best regards, Guido ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - Neoware Now through March 31, 2003 Neoware is offering a Capio 500/Eon Proven 2100 for $299! Click the link below: http://www.neoware.com/promocp4a/thinnetban.html ********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm