Yeah, I can confirm this. (Check out http://www.brianmadden.com/thin/article.asp?ID=44) Per User and Internet connection licenses are not at all managed by the license server. All you need (in these cases) is a license server without any licenses installed. Brian Brian Madden brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx +1.202.302.3657 Visit www.brianmadden.com for in-depth Citrix, Terminal Server, and server-based computing news and analysis, white papers, downloadable videos, and product reviews. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grant O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:02 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 TS CAL per user I have resulted to adding Per device license as there is no way to track which users have used licenses, as Ryan said. Management Limitations for User CALs A Windows Server 2003-based Terminal Server Licensing Server that is running in TS User CAL licensing mode does not decrement the number of available Windows Server 2003 TS CALs when each user connects to the terminal server. This is a limitation in the Terminal Services Manager utility (TSadmin.exe). This limitation does not remove the responsibility from administrators to make sure that a valid TS CAL is obtained for each connected user, per the End User License Agreement (EULA). For additional information, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:=20 822134 The Function of Terminal Server CALs in Windows Server 2003=20 -----Original Message----- From: Grant O'Connor=20 Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 10:49 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 TS CAL per user Thank you for advice Ryan,=3D20 I'll give it a go Regards, Grant -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Lambert [mailto:rlambert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 9:46 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 TS CAL per user Grant, I do not believe as of yet that Per User licenses are tracked within License Management console. Microsoft has not provided a method of assigning a token to a particular user.=3D3D20 If your Terminal Services Configuration on the TS is set to "Per User", I'd log on a new device and see if the number of temp licenses goes up. It should not. You just won't see a license being taken. -----Original Message----- From: Grant O'Connor [mailto:goconnor@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:46 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 TS CAL per user Hello all, I have installed and activated a Windows Server 2003 Licensing Server on a domain controller and added per user Cal's. My Windows Server 2003/Citrx FR3 Application Server has been configured as Per User licensing. The problem is, the Licensing server is only handing out Temporary per Device Cal's instead of the per user licensing that I have installed. I want to use the per user licensing method because it is a better method of licensing for an ASP. Any suggestions? Thank you=3D3D3D20 Grant -----Original Message----- From: Brian Madden [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20 Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 3:06 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 TS CAL per user Hi Jesse, Yes, you specify upfront. This is something that you select when installing a Terminal Server. A single 2003 license server can handle both types. The "per user" type license is not managed at this time, so "no" it will not prevent you from doing what you do. Brian Brian Madden brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx +1.202.302.3657 Visit www.brianmadden.com for in-depth Citrix, Terminal Server, and server-based computing news and analysis, white papers, downloadable videos, and product reviews. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of King, Jesse Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:50 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] 2003 TS CAL per user Hi Gang, Moving from windows 2000, to 2003 and had a question about the TS CAL per user. 1) Do you need to specify up front which you want when ordering? Device or User? or is this selectable when installing the TS license server? 2) In our environment, we have a generic login for a specific business area - If we choose a per user, will this prevent the generic account to login to multiple devices? I am more and more concerned with 2003 licensing because a lot of users login remotely through CSG, which eats up another device cal. And with not allowing XP/2000 built in any more, that could be very very costly. This is why I like the per user model, but I don't see how this would work with the generic login. Just more of an excuse to move away from generic logins - hate em. I've been reading Ron and Brian's TS2003 - Just got done with the license section. Good stuff... Thanks. 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