http://www.linux.com/news/newsitem.phtml?sid=1&aid=12064 (Good read, first of all, but...) Take a look at the first comment in the Comments section at the bottom of the page -- is the PLIB Steve Baker the same? =) John -- # John Madden weez@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ICQ: 2EB9EA # FreeLists, Free mailing lists for all: //www.freelists.org # UNIX Systems Engineer, Ivy Tech State College: http://www.ivy.tec.in.us # Linux, Apache, Perl and C: All the best things in life are free!