[TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans "kick" once, otherwise dead]

  • From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:20:14 -0400

I'm slow ?????
Al Marquardt
ampm@xxxxxxx
Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
206 W Main
Girardville Pa. 17935
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerome Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
"kick" once, otherwise dead]


> NWA is really a better way to put it.
> Jerry Silverman
> Greentron Inc
> 4 Newland Ave Greenville SC 29609
> 864 232 3889 Fax 271 2080
> greentron@xxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 9:40 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> "kick" once, otherwise dead]
>
>
> > HA!! I have a HD65W20 2yrs old and the DM1 power module is NLA.
> > Al Marquardt
> > ampm@xxxxxxx
> > Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
> > 206 W Main
> > Girardville Pa. 17935
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 11:50 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> > "kick" once, otherwise dead]
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated from this forum.
> > > , but what the h*ll with "NLA" on a yoke in a  three thousand dollar
> > > unit 36 months out of the plant? Customer hasn't had it 36 months!
Geez,
> > > this is the TOP end  of RCA,s CRT  based HDTV. What the heck does RCA
> > > think? I got a email confirmation on my web order and although it
showed
> > > one in stock, now says zero stokk, one "BO".
> > > I dunno. This govt is ALLOWING these thugs to get away with this. All
> > > nice and legal.
> > > Venting...
> > > Phil Bader
> > >
> > > Wayne Vanaman wrote:
> > >
> > > >The "square tape" is the SVM coil. 240796.  I have moved many of
these
> > coils
> > > >from tube to tube.  Just examine carefully its position on the neck.
> > > >
> > > >RCA tech assist once told me, on a warranty job, to cut and splice
the
> > yoke
> > > >wires instead of changing all three yokes.
> > > >
> > > >Wayne Vanaman
> > > >Omega Electronics
> > > >6904 W Fairfield Dr
> > > >Pensacola, Fl.  32506-3310
> > > >
> > > >Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com
> > > >
> > > >850-456-5995 voice
> > > >850-458-6369 fax
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:41 AM
> > > >Subject: [TechAssist] Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> > "kick"
> > > >once, otherwise dead]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>An ongoing saga...
> > > >>The unit did power on with the blue CRT ioslated from the set.
> > > >>Customer approved the estimate., I ordered the parts. INstalled the
> CRT.
> > > >>Upon removing the blue yoke, I saw the insides were cut to ribbons
by
> > > >>the broken glass of the  neck.Funny this still allowed the set to
> power
> > > >>on with this yoke plugged in, but maybe it was damaged  "open"
instead
> > > >>of shorted. Anyway, the yoke is a  248399, Tritronics shows it NLA
(a
> > > >>three year old 61in. HDTV), but another distrib. showed one left.
> > > >>Supposedly it comes as three yokes attached together. (daisey
> chained).
> > > >>I assume I may be able to buy the three and install the one,as the
> other
> > > >>two tubes operate OK.
> > > >>Also, there is an interesting clear square tape with a copper coil
> > > >>printrd in it that must be peeled off the old CRT neck and placed on
> the
> > > >>new, and a wire soldered to it.
> > > >> What a pia.
> > > >>Ordered the yoke on line this morning. Any input appreciated.
> > > >>Phil Bader
> > > >>
> > > >>Phil Bader wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>After removing anode from bad blue CRT and unplugging CRT neck
board,
> > > >>>the set powered up with a good picture except of course no blue.
> > > >>>Verified no other damage.
> > > >>>I  am still thinking the CRT neck board on the bad tube may have
> taken
> > > >>>damage, but not many parts on that assy, and seems easy enough to
fix
> > if
> > > >>>needed.
> > > >>>Awaiting customer's return call.
> > > >>>My fix will be a blue CRT assembly (comes without yoke), the two
> diodes
> > > >>>and two 4700mfd caps said to be a problem on the DMA power supply
> > board,
> > > >>>as recommended in thread below.
> > > >>>(plus the convergence-from-hell, probably)
> > > >>>Will advise.
> > > >>>Phil Bader
> > > >>>
> > > >>>tvservice wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>You can do just what you said
> > > >>>>look for coolant leak at broken tube
> > > >>>>possible cause of break
> > > >>>>Robert
> > > >>>>tvservice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>H & H Electronics Inc
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >>>>From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:44 AM
> > > >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] update. RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> > "kick"
> > > >>>>once, otherwise dead]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>-------- Original Message --------
> > > >>>>>Subject: RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans "kick" once,
otherwise
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >dead
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>>>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:06:13 -0400
> > > >>>>>From: Phil Bader <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>I checked the DMA Power supply board and the two 4700mfd caps
.Caps
> > > >>>>>tested OK. I noticed as I powered it on, looking inside in the
> back,
> > as
> > > >>>>>it would do the cycling, I saw an arc from up under the CRT area
> each
> > > >>>>>cycle.
> > > >>>>>opened the front panel where I could see the bottoms of the CRT
> necks
> > > >>>>>and CRT boards.
> > > >>>>>The CRT on my right had the neck hanging!
> > > >>>>>I can see a black arc line around it at the bell where it appears
> to
> > > >>>>>have arced until it burnt through the glass neck!. CRT is toast.
> > Don't
> > > >>>>>know what else.
> > > >>>>>Question:
> > > >>>>>Can I isolate this bad blue CRT by unplugging it's anode from the
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >block,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>>>and unplug the CRT board, so I can power the set and see if the
> other
> > > >>>>>two CRTs are OK, and I have HV,etc? What's the safest way?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Will keep posted.
> > > >>>>>PS: another tech  advised on the DMA power supply (upright one
> above
> > > >>>>>sweep) to just change caps C14113,C14115 (use# 250729), and
diodes
> > > >>>>>CR19710 and 13 with #234048. High failure rates, tho not my
problem
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>>>Phil Bader
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Philip Bader
> > > >>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> > > >>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>A newer chassis.
> > > >>>>>>RCA  61 inch  HDTV. model P61310, chassis DTV307GA.
> > > >>>>>>No picture, no sound.
> > > >>>>>>I notice there is an "access card" in a slot in the rear, I
assume
> a
> > > >>>>>>built in satelite tuner assy.
> > > >>>>>>Customer is an office equipement tech, and says it has two 24
volt
> > > >>>>>>fans that seem to "kick" once, but do not start up. The set is
> > > >>>>>>otherwise dead.
> > > >>>>>>When I plugged in the cord, I heard the "chirp" of what I assume
> is
> > > >>>>>>the power supply.
> > > >>>>>>Pushed power button: Green light comes on and stays green
> > constantly.
> > > >>>>>>No other response, other than a strange sound coming from the
> lower
> > > >>>>>>right side of the set (facing the set's screen), best described
as
> a
> > > >>>>>>half-second "Gurgle" recurring steadily every one second.
> > > >>>>>>Could use ANYTHING on this: pdf's, bullitens, histories, common
> > > >>>>>>hi-failures, anything!
> > > >>>>>>Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>Phil Bader.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>-- 
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Philip Bader
> > > >>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> > > >>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> > > >>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
> > > >>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> > > >>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
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