Thanx for all the great advice ,the wealth of talent on this list is awsome a;ong with the generosity of the folks offering the advice , all the advice given ,seems very reasonable that it could be the problem ,I/m gonna back off awile till I get someone to look at it, It's hard to get with people when I work 2 tp 11 and they work 8 to 5 . anyway my point of this whole email is , after all the advice , tonite at 2:30 am I ran out of gas about 10 miles from the house , I guess all my short test runs added up the milage , Heck theres somethin funny about everything isn't there? i'm gonna keep to the short trips till We get serious with a mechenic, Thanx to all and stay tuned. Ronnie ,glad Sparky is runnin better. Paul Smith www.23window.com/thezone H.B.B T.C.B.