[tbilisimakerspace] Re: Oxwall vs Buddypress vs phpBB (was: Re: Oxwall vs Buddypress)

OK, one more annoying mail from me:  

I talked too much about how we should evaluate our alternatives. Now it's time 
to say about my preferences.

For me, most important thing is, how easy it will be (for me) to build a custom 
theme for each engine, cause we will need it for sure.

As I have no experience, first I looked at is official documentation pages:
Oxwall
http://docs.oxwall.org/ - Handfull of unfinished articles like this one 
http://docs.oxwall.org/design:how-to-create-customize-themes-for-beginners

Wordpress
http://codex.wordpress.org/ - Much bigger documentation portal, with 
getting-started-guides, WordPress-lessons, References, etc.

phpBB
http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/3.0/ - User and administration guide 
organized like at book
http://wiki.phpbb.com/ - Development wiki



Then I had a look at their forums:
Oxwall
http://www.oxwall.org/forum/ - up to ten thousand posts and replays

Wordpress
http://wordpress.org/support/ - 1,011,201 posts in biggest forum 
(How-ToandTroubleshooting), there are 10 more like that

phpBB
http://www.phpbb.com/community/index.php - Up to million posts in forums and 
2,207,742 posts in archive



Now let's check already available themes and plugins:
Oxwall
http://www.oxwall.org/store/themes - 60 themes, approximately half of them are 
free
http://www.oxwall.org/store - 80 plugins, also only part of them are free

Wordpress
empty search for themes (from admin dashboard) gives 662 items
empty search for themes (from admin dashboard) gives 18,786 items

phpBB
http://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/styles-2 - 164 Board Styles
http://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/modifications-1 - 810 Modification




Congratulations to me! I proved that Wordpress and phpBB are much more mature 
and mainstream platforms then Oxwall! Everybody knew it without me already…
I agree, that this is not enough criteria to say that Oxwall sucks. And 
actually I like experimental stuff myself.

But then I digged a little in administrators panels of BuddyPress and  Oxwall. 
Have to say that Wordpress dashboard look much more advanced then Oxwall Admin 
Area.
(In Oxwall)
I could not find how to manage forums or blog posts there. (I found after that 
i can manage them directly from Forum and Blogs menus, but still I think it's 
bit cluttered)
Management of pages is awkward and editing is much less comfortable (in tiny 
textarea)
I could not find how can I change layout (not only styling). For example can I 
place menu somewhere on the side-panel, not on the header?


(In Buddypress)
On the other hand is quite huge and may be it makes it little bit 
over-complicated?


Conclusion
------------------
I would definitely NOT pick Oxwall.
Wen choosing between Buddypress and phpBB, we need to consider that phpBB is 
only a forum so we will have to build some static site with blog ourselves. 
Though, it sounds little bit difficult, but personally I would choose this 
option,
cause we will get powerful forum for communication and build our own static 
site, which is not as hard, and will be absolutely custom and original
but, on other hand Buddypress is also good option



So my votes are:
phpBB
Buddypress
Oxwal




Thanks,
and sorry for big mail

--  
Giorgi Kandelaki
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On Saturday, March 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Giorgi Kandelaki wrote:

> Hi Sebastian, hi all,  
>  
> Thanks for making me admin (btw how you did it?).
>  
> Guys, you know... I'm afraid we are doing it wrong:
> People are choosing between alternatives, just by it's default appearances, 
> and by features they see on main menu.
> But appearance will (must) change and all our alternatives have tons of other 
> features which are not listed by default.
> I believe that we can achieve our goal with each of this alternatives, more, 
> if we try hard enough, we can make websites on buddypress and oxwall which 
> will be undistinguishable. Question is, how easy it will be?
> So, I think that we should make decision according to this criteria:
> Major criteria:
> how simple is to maintain (administrate) it
> how simple is to customize it
> appearance
> choose good theme
> make your own custom theme
>  
> functionality
> get necessary plugin
> make you own plugin
>  
>  
>  
> Minor criteria:
> how active is it's developer community
> how well documented is it
> any known problems
> etc.
>  
>  
> Thus, one should not vote, until (s)he checks at least the admin-panel of 
> each platform. That's why I asked you to make me admin.
>  
>  
> And at last, I think, decision must be made not by overall consensus (or 
> voting), but by them who will work on customization and maintenance of the 
> site. All other people can just list their priorities and needed features, so 
> the tech-guys can then decide which platform is more suitable for their 
> particular means.
>  
> Sebastian, so far, it looks like you are that "tech-guy". I can try to help 
> in everything, but I'm database programer, I'm not strong in "web". Know some 
> HTML+CSS and Javascript, but no PHP. And had never built sites on engines 
> like Wordpress.
>  
>  
> --  
> Giorgi Kandelaki
> Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
>  
>  
> On Saturday, March 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Sebastian Henschel wrote:
>  
> > hola todo el mundo...
> >  
> > On 15 March 2012 15:56, ericnbarrett@xxxxxxxxx 
> > (mailto:ericnbarrett@xxxxxxxxx) <ericnbarrett@xxxxxxxxx 
> > (mailto:ericnbarrett@xxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > I like oxwall the best. It is really easy to use. Provides different 
> > > venues to share content. Easy to interact with and engage in others' 
> > > content. Models real world socializing and communication than bb and the 
> > > wordpress alternatives. It is fun. Makes it easy to jump into a group, or 
> > > create a new one.   
> >  
> > so, any other 'test results'?  
> >  
> > the way i see it, most people have spoken for Oxwall, one for Buddypress, 
> > none for phpBB.
> > if that should remain until the evening, would you mind using Oxwall, 
> > Giorgi (i made you admin, btw)? or do you guys need more time to evaluate / 
> > discuss?
> >  
> > hasta luego,
> >  Sebastian
> >  
> >  
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 15:10, Dato Gogishvili <dato@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > (mailto:dato@xxxxxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > I'm available tomorrow and will buy domain.
> > >  
> > > dato
> > >  
> > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Sebastian Henschel 
> > > <sebastian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:sebastian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > hello Giorgi et al...
> > > >  
> > > > On 13 March 2012 17:13, Giorgi Kandelaki <kandelakig@xxxxxxxxx 
> > > > (mailto:kandelakig@xxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looked at it, and wrote to you there.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the first look I liked buddypress more. But it also has some good
> > > > > features.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, overall, I think both are overkill for our purposes. We don't 
> > > > > need this
> > > > > huge social-network-like sites, with all it's cool gadgets.
> > > >  
> > > > hey, you are talking to generation facebook here. :) personally i'm
> > > > fine with this mailing-list, but a few people wanted a few more
> > > > features (for good reasons).
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > > I think, we need just two simple things:
> > > > >
> > > > > Web site - for promotional purpose
> > > > > With information about TOL. News (something like blog). Contact 
> > > > > information.
> > > >  
> > > > > Communication tool - alternative to this mailing list, cause folks 
> > > > > don't
> > > > > like it
> > > > > For me, something like Google Groups would be perfect, but I 
> > > > > understand your
> > > > > concerns about "data liberation"
> > > >  
> > > > one complaint some people had was too much traffic. a forum would
> > > > compartmentalise the communication and you can subscribe to/read the
> > > > boards you are most interested in.
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > > BTW, if I suggest the way to export content from Google Groups, would 
> > > > > you
> > > > > consider it as an alternative?
> > > >  
> > > > that would be good. what about identity? i know that TI Georgia is
> > > > using gmail, but the domain used is transparency.ge 
> > > > (http://transparency.ge) - would something
> > > > similar be possible for TOL?
> > > >  
> > > > afaik Google Groups is a fancy-looking mailing-list, as long as you
> > > > are not part of the googleverse. it wouldn't help against the
> > > > perception of too much traffic. unless you decide to have several
> > > > lists, but that might be too much separation already.
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > > Or may be we can install only standalone forum? like phpBB or 
> > > > > something
> > > > > similar?
> > > >  
> > > > i'm glad you asked for it, because that would have been my non-social
> > > > network suggestion:
> > > > http://tbilisimakerspace.kodeaffe.de/phpBB3/
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > i guess that should suffice for alternatives: we should choose one of
> > > > these three, unless somebody has an urgent desire to propose something
> > > > else.
> > > > frankly, i have no preference: all three of them are working - the
> > > > bane of consumerism. :)
> > > > the integration of bbpress (forum) into buddypress seems a bit dodgy.
> > > > otherwise it looks a bit less cluttered / overwhelming than oxwall.
> > > > phpBB will probably be the most advanced in offering forum features,
> > > > while the others might make things look more vibrant, with activity
> > > > streams, walls, etc.
> > > >  
> > > > a few people have signed up to buddypress / oxwall, i haven't heard
> > > > much negative feedback on either of them. we will see how many will be
> > > > interested in having a look at phpbb.
> > > >  
> > > > i propose to reach a decision until saturday eve and maybe the domain
> > > > tbilisiopenlabs.ge (http://tbilisiopenlabs.ge) will be ready until 
> > > > then. Dato?
> > > >  
> > > > David, do you want to create a poll like the one you had made for the
> > > > name? i guess just the three choices 'buddypress', 'oxwall', 'phpbb'
> > > > would suffice, nothing more sophisticated.
> > > >  
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Sebastian Henschel
> > > > > <sebastian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:sebastian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >> i installed oxwall on the server, to play and test:
> > > > >> http://tbilisimakerspace.kodeaffe.de/oxwall/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> (as a reminder, buddypress is here:
> > > > >> http://tbilisimakerspace.kodeaffe.de/buddypress/)
> > > >  
> >  
> > --  
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