Hi Jim, I'll consider it; but demos go so much better when people are there to ask questions, to point out what they don't understand, and what they'd like to know more about. I was especially hoping to present to a group with Liz and/or Adam (and anyone else who helps clients who have to deal with inaccessible software where they work). WindowEyes scripting really makes this possible to deal with now, in a way it's never been before. How about this: for people who'd like demos, have you tried TeamTalk? we could look at getting a group together using TeamTalk, so I could give live demos and take questions and interruptions. I've done this once before, when I was demonstrating for blind programmers a new way to create windoweyes scripts; and we did it as a session on TeamTalk with about a dozen people. If people are interested in this approach, I would help them get TeamTalk installed; I have sent out, and will be glad to do it again, a TABI TeamTalk file, so you just click on it, and it starts up TeamTalk, and puts it in the TABI channel (or group) on the right server. I think teleconferencing is perfect for this kind of thing, but I know it can be a problem installing and configuring something new like TeamTalk, so I'll put a copy of my TeamTalk instructions below. If people will try it and tell me if they're ok with this approach, then I'd be willing to do it this way in addition to showing up for group meetings. ----------------- * download TeamTalk for Windows; since they have versions for other operating systems, I've provided a direct download link on the line below: http://bearware.compytech.net/TeamTalk_v4.0_Setup.exe * run the install, and when it comes to which of the 4 components you want to install (you can only choose one), you want the one which says "client" and "accessibility" in it's description. * connect your headset with a microphone, or go ahead if you know you have a built-in microphone and use it, but wear headphones when using TeamTalk. * if you have a USB headset, then understand a little of how it works, and maybe even test it out before using TeamTalk, so if there's trouble, you'll know where to look. A USB headset is actually another sound card, and it often doesn't show up as a choice except when it's plugged in. it's not your default sound card, and so nothing will use it when you plug it in. You have a lot of choices as to how to configure a USB headset, but I'd recommend going into the control panel, going into the "sound" option, and making it the default playback device, and the default recording device. This way, when you unplug it, Windows will automatically switch to something else (your built-in sound card), and the next time you plug it back in, being the "default" will cause windows to switch over to automatically using it. If you have the kind of headset with two plugs, you need to find the correct jacks on your pc for headphones and microphone input (not line input). then, when you want to use it, you just plug it in. * so, if you think things are ok with your headset, run TeamTalk. the first time it throws you into the configuration dialog automatically. you only need to enter your nickname. (I just use my full name). in here also, are checkboxes for whether you want to trigger your microphone by talking (voice activation), or by holding down a key on the keyboard (often the control key is used). this is called "push to talk". if this is what you want, check it, and tab to the next control, the "setup" button for your push-to-talk key combination. they suggest using the control key, so press enter on this button. TeamTalk then is waiting for you to hold and release the key combination you want to use. push and release the control key. (it makes a good choice). I use voice activation myself, and if that's what you want, you have to tab over and find it's checkbox and check it. you can easily change this on the fly later. In this configuration dialog is also a different tab for the sound system settings. leaving these settings at their defaults usually works, but of note is that there's a "test" button in this dialog, and when you click it it allows you to talk, and you will hear your own voice echoed back in a few seconds. it allows you to keep working with your microphone until things sound about right. if you hear nothing, then you know there's a problem. there's now a "stop" button available, and clicking on it stops the test mode. if you click on "ok" when you're ready, you'll be in TeamTalk's main window. you can go back into the configuration at any time by pressing F4. many of the items you could set in there however are now available to you in a menu named "me". You are now in the main TeamTalk window. it has a list of channels, a place where text messages for the current channel are shown, and an editbox where you can type in a text message and press enter. the list of channels on the current server is the only control you're likely to need; you go up and down it until you find a channel you want, and press control J to join that channel. you press control L to leave the channel. as soon as you join, you can start talking, and you should hear the others talking; or, you will be asked for a password if it's a passworded channel. Don't forget if you set things up so your mike is "voice activated", they can then hear you, and anything you might say outloud! All of these channels are on a single server; there are many servers to choose from, and you can run your own. servers have different policies and rules of operation, that's why you may want to change. TeamTalk comes with some pre-defined servers in it's list; you can get to them by pressing F3. you can go up and down the list, and tab over twice to the connect button, and connect to different servers this way. when you do, you'll be put back into the main TeamTalk window, and you will automatically be joined to the "root" channel of that server. think of it as the "foyer" to the server. some of them allow you to create your own channels for your own use, and some don't; in those, you can only use the channels which are already defined; their names often indicate the kind of topic being discussed there. I have created and mailed out a file, named the TABI.tt file, which will, when you click on it or run it like a command, start TeamTalk, go to a pre-chosen server which allows us to create a channel, and it will automatically join you to the TABI channel (assuming there is one at the moment). I expect to announce a get-together at a certain time, and just have everyone be able to "run" the tabi.tt file, or click on it in windows explorer, to join the conference. anyone can create the TABI channel on this server, and announce their own get-togethers at any time. when the last person leaves however, the TABI channel is deleted. it does not have a password. There are more advanced options you can look into: you can control the volume independantly for each user in a conference, so if someone is too loud or too soft you can adjust them for your hearing; you can have TeamTalk simulate their placement in a room, so they appear to sound like they're in front, or to one side, etc. you can put files in the shared file space, when you want everyone to be able to receive something easily, without having to email it to everyone there on the conference. you can send private text messages to users in the conference to pass a private message to them. I hope these notes help everyone get started on TeamTalk, but don't hesitate to ask questions if you have problems. Chip (acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx) Check out the TABI resource web page at http://acorange.home.comcast.net/TABI and please make suggestions for new material. if you'd like to unsubscribe you can do so through the freelists.org web interface, or by sending an email to the address tabi-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.