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DR, RR
Signing off, good nite, sleep tight.
 
Stanley
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 5:13 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
Re:Ins...


 
RR,
  
I guess it is a quiz.
  
73
  
DR
 
  
On Feb 20, 2015 7:58 PM, "Redacted sender   sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC" <  
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:  
  
        
     RR    
     
Who owns China bank?    
     
     
     
Stan    
     
     
     
     
     
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 From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <     n1ea@xxxxxxxx>     
 To: sparkscoffee <     sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>     
 Sent: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 4:46 pm     
 Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
Re:Ins...     
      
      
       
In this case it means China Bank is investing in ship construction.      
       
Still sounds like capitalism to me.      
       
73      
       
DR       
       
       
 On Feb 20, 2015 7:40 PM, "Redacted sender        sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC" 
<        dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:        
        
                   
           David          
          
 What do you think Joint Venture means?          
          
            
          
 Stan          
          
            
          
            
          
 -----Original Message-----           
 From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <           n1ea@xxxxxxxx>           
 To: sparkscoffee <           sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>           
 Sent: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 4:31 pm           
 Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
Re:Ins...           
           
           
            
 Yes, it is growing but it is because it is a capitalistic economy with private 
ownership of capital producing means.            
            
 It would not be doing this if it was communist.            
            
 David             
            
            
 On Feb 20, 2015 7:20 PM, "Redacted sender             sblumen123@xxxxxxx for 
DMARC" <             dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:             
             
                             
                DR               
               
 You sound like a lawyer? No matter how you slice it their economy grows like 
bamboo with all the fixings               
               
 while we are waiting for the killer depression Martin Armstrong id predicting. 
              
               
                 
               
 Stanley                
               
                 
               
                 
               
 -----Original Message-----                
 From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <                n1ea@xxxxxxxx>                
 To: sparkscoffee <                sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>                
 Sent: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 3:34 pm                
 Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
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 OK, but there is more to "property" than real property.                        
 
                         
                        
 Other types of property is allowed to be purchased by people and owned by 
them.                        
                        
                       
 That's a BIG change from communist state where NO private property is allowed. 
                      
                       
                      
 Real property is also land and building built upon the land.  It seems only 
part of real property is prohibited, land ownership especially since the 2007 
Property Law.                      
                      
 Ownership rights are protected under Article 39 of The Property Law of the 
People’s Republic of China, which gives the owner the right to possess, 
utilize, dispose of and obtain profits from the real property. However, this 
right has to comply with laws and social morality. It can harm neither public 
interests nor the legitimate rights and interests of others.                    
  [8]                      
                      
 However, Article 70 of the The Property Law allows for ownership of exclusive 
parts within an apartment building, which endorses the individual ownership of 
apartments.                      
                     
                     
Socialist values v Acceptance of free-market economy
                     
 With the passing of the Property Law, a number of local legislators fear that 
“while the new property law would undoubtedly increase protection for home 
owners and prevent land seizures, it would also erode China’s socialist 
principles”.                      [51] The insistence on socialist values among 
some of the Chinese ruling elite raises questions on whether China – an 
emerging world superpower – intends to open its doors fully to the Western 
world and ideas of free-market liberalism, or whether it will continue to 
differentiate itself in such matters.                     
                    
                   
                   
Usufructuary rights
                   
 The owner of a usufructuary right has the right to possess, utilize and obtain 
profits from the real properties owned by others.                    [9] The 
obligee may not intervene in the exercise of rights by the owner of the 
usufructuary right.                    [10]                   
 It keeps sounding less and less Communist by the word.                   
                   
                  
 Not that I'd want to live there with their horrific human rights policy, but 
I'm just saying.                  
                  
                   
 DR                   
                  
                 
                 
                  
                  
 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Ron Ristad                   
<ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:                   
                   
                    
                     
 From link you posted:                      
 
 Buying land                      
 A foreign investor is not allowed to buy land in China. The land in China 
belongs to the state and the                       collectives.                 
     
                      
                      
                       -----Original Message----- 
 From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."  
                        
                        
 Sent: Feb 20, 2015 4:54 PM                         
 To:                         sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx                         
 Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
Re:Ins...                         
                         
                         
 RR,                         
                         
 I posted about the change.                         
                         
 China allows people to own property including real estate and businesses.      
                   
                         
 73                         
                         
 DR                          
                         
                         
 On Feb 20, 2015 5:11 PM, "Ron Ristad" <                          
ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:                          
                          
                           
                            
                             
 DR and Stan,                              
 Seems to me that those who claim to be capitalists are really communists, or 
at least socialists, and those who claim to be communists are really 
capitalists.                              
                              
 In China all property belongs to the government.                              
                              
 In the U.S. individuals are allowed to own property but it is taxed by the 
government and if the tax is not paid it then the government seizes it and 
sells to somebody else.                              
                              
 The truth is the U.S. ceased being capitalist 100 years ago when the Federal 
Reserve Bank took control of the nation's money supply. The U.S. Dollar went 
from being backed by gold to being devalued, then to being only partially 
backed by gold, and finally to being not being backed by anything at all.       
                       
                              
 In China people immediately turn any excess paper money they have into gold. 
They have no illusions about the government.                              
                              
 Conversely in the U.S. people trade in their gold for paper money so they can 
use it to make more paper money. But it's all an illusion. They think they are 
living in a capitalist country when in fact it was taken over by socialists 100 
years ago. They believe themselves to be wealthy because they have so much 
paper money but the reality is that their paper money is worth no more than the 
paper money used in the game of Monopoly, and their property is seized by the 
government in the form of taxes even when it does not generate any income. That 
is pure 100% socialism.                              
                              
 -RR                              
                              
                              
                              
 -----Original Message-----                               
 From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."                                                       
       
 Sent: Feb 20, 2015 12:21 PM                               
 To: "                               sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"                
                                              
 Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
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 Comrade,                                     
                                     
                                    
 I found information stating that there was a policy to allow for private 
ownership of business in China and for ownership of private and real property.  
                                  
                                    
                                   
 That isn't clasic Communism at all.                                   
                                   
                                  
 That's much more like Capitalism.                                  
                                  
                                 
 Communist China says they have capitalism but somehow through some means - 
maybe regulation or banking - they have capitalism under control for "the 
benefit of the people".  This is disputed by some (or many) as just  being 
placating words because Communist China is much more capitalist than they want 
to admit.                                 
                                 
                                
                                
 In Vietnam:  Local and foreign                                 private 
businesses accounted for 81.5 percent of industrial output in 2008, up from 
50.4 percent in 1996, according to the latest government figures.               
                  
                                 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-01-14/vietnam-may-allow-business-owners-into-communist-party-to-improve-image
                                 
                                 
                                
                                
 Domestic and foreign ownership of business is capitalism - and it accounts for 
81.5% of industry in 2008 and it use to be 50.4, so when Vietnam turned it's 
economic system towards Capitalism, things improved.                            
     
                                 
                                
                                
 So why don't you be a Communist who wears a capitalist hat like Vietnam and 
China?                                 
                                 
 73                                 
                                
 DR                                
                               
                               
                                
                                
 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Redacted sender                              
   sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC                                 
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:                                 
                                 
                                                                     
 DR                                   
                                   
 Check out your 3 links, the middle one says ownership is muddy and they didn't 
point out the figures you gave? The news media constantly                       
            
                                   
 talks JOINT VENTURE which to me implies with their State Government and in the 
past they spoke about expiration dates although I                               
    
                                   
 haven't heard that lately but then I haven't heard it rescinded either? Carry 
on.                                   
                                   
                                     
                                   
 Stanley                                   
                                   
                                     
                                   
                                     
                                   
                                    -----Original Message-----
 From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
 To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                                      Sent: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 11:12 am
 Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: [sparksco ffee] Re: Re: Re: Re: [sp arkscoffee] 
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 Sure,                                        
                                        
                                        
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_property_law                              
          
                                        http://www.economist.com/node/18928526  
                                      
                                        
http://www.globaltrade.net/f/business/China/Operating-a-Business-Forms-of-Business-Ownership.html
                                        
                                        
                                         
 73                                         
                                         
                                        
                                        
 DR                                         
                                         
                                        
                                        
                                         
 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Redacted sender                              
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                                             DR                                 
           
                                            
 Sorry, where is  proof of your facts?                                          
  
                                            
                                              
                                            
 Stanley

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