Stanley,
Would you like to be in front of that red, white and blue, flag?
The pilots told IDF Command it was an American Naval Ship and asked for
confirmation of orders to fire upon an ally's ship.
DR
On Jun 3, 2015 8:17 PM, "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Stop the bullshit Stanley. It was in no way shape or form a matter of
"mistaken idenity". The Isreali pilots themselves repeatedly radioed Tel
Aviv that there was a very large (and unmistakeable) American flag flying
from fantail.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "
sblumen123@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:34:00 -0400
Attention DR, RR, JS, Pixiehat and anyone else
The devil is in the details, so kindly respond to the details and cut the
bullshit. Why would
Israel senselessly and stupidly risking the wrath of the U.S. government,
a devastatingly
counter attack and public opinion, so viciously attack the un-protected
U.S. flagged spy
ship SS Liberty in international waters but within monitoring range of
tanks on a battle field
and what was its mission in dangerous waters and why senselessly would
planes on the
way to rescue the Liberty be turned back and why was it senselessly agreed
upon and easily
disproved that it was merely a case of mistaken identity and then the
theory that Israel was
going to blame the Egyptians and why didn't the Egyptians demand that the
Liberty move out
since it might be helping Israel, and not a case of crazies in Washington
ordering the Liberty
to supply Egypt with Israely tank movements (and Israel may have a tape to
prove it but not
to be made public?) on the verge of a surpise attack to take over the
Golan Heights? Again,
respond to the details and cut the flag waving bullshit.
Stan the truth seeker even when risking being accused of being a disloyal
citizen
-----Original Message-----
From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2015 7:01 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Stan,
Am I missing something? You want the U.S. to ask forgiveness from Isreal
for them attacking a U.S. ship? Must be something wrong in your logic meds.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: pixiehat <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 15:28:36 -0700
Stan, it doesn't seem strange at all. Why should the US seek forgiveness
for the war crimes committed by Israel? When you start making sense
perhaps more people will be paying attention to what you have to say.
Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Tablet
-------- Original message --------
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 06/02/2015 1:11 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Pixiehat
Doesn't it seem strange that the USA government didn't ask for
forgiveness? Remember
the saying that there is more to it then meets the eye? Are you afraid to
look below the surface?
You pay zero attention to what I have to say and 100% attention only to
what you say. Grow up
and listen to what the other guy says, that is normal.
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: pixiehat <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2015 3:19 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Stan, I don't recall any "forgiveness " directed at Israel for their war
crimes. I most certainly didn't offer any. I would like to see Israel
held accountable for her actions. Something besides the arrogance that she
offers in abundance. Offering billion s of dollars in military aid simply
doesn't cut it.
Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Tablet
-------- Original message --------
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 06/02/2015 10:12 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Pixiehat
On the other hand you can conclude that Israel was stupid crazy and so was
the response
which went along with it and forgave them but not you.
Stanley
-----Original Message-----
From: pixiehat <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2015 6:31 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Stan old shoe, your response to any messages about the Liberty are, at
best, confusing and contradictory. You seem to feel that whatever excuses
Israel offers for the war crimes are justification. You seem to believe
that Israel attack was all our fault and that the billions of dollars in
aid is payment that they deserve. On the other hand, I don't feel that
they deserve any aid what so ever.
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-------- Original message --------
From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: 06/01/2015 7:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Pixiehat and anyone else who wants to go back to the horrible SS Liberty
event
Scroll down, its a very, very long history if you are really interested
and have an open mind..
Stanley
-----Original Message-----
From: dmarc-noreply <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Jan 14, 2015 3:56 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
DR and everyone else
1. Check out the time line below from June 7 all the way down including
the USSR missel launcher vessel offering help.
2. No where do I see any theory mentioning the possibility that Israel was
cooking up a surprise attack on the Golan Heights?
3. No where do I see any mention on why the Egyptians didn't also object
to the Liberty in a combat area possibly sending info to Israel?
4. Not mentioned is that Egypt was routinely shelling Israel from the
Golan Heights before the war in effect daring Israel to do something?
5. Without a surprise attack Israel could expect high losses and a
probable failure of the mission to capture the Golan Heights.
6. All the fly byes before the attack could be warnings that Israel meant
business to get the Liberty out of the combat area but it stayed put?
7. In fact according to the time line NSA did order the Liberty to retreat
a minimum of 100 NM but unfortunately didn't see it until after the
attack
8. The unmarked planes did not have Egyptian markings so as to blame them
for the attack especially since they didn't even protest the Liberty.
9. The horrable attack was apparently to sink or dissable the Liberty as
soon as possible.
10. The USA has legitimate reasons to be friendly with the Arabs for oil
and other financial reasons.
11. I don't see any legitimate reason why the Liberty should be so close
and in fact a combat area?
12. Israel did send an encrypted message so that Egypt couldn't see, to
move the Liberty out of its dangerous position.
13. If I am right Israel was between a hard place and a rock
14. No need to keep repeating that Israel knew it was attacking an
American spy ship.
Stanley
-----Original Message-----
From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 1:10 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Comrade,
I don't understand either. It makes no sense to me.
Why would Israel tell Washington DC to move LIBERTY back before
attacking?
And what difference does it matter? We weren't at war with Israel, Egypt
was.
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USS Liberty
The USS Liberty Timeline
Americans for Middle East Understanding
December 2002
June 8, 1967, Israeli forces attack the USS Liberty. They kill
34 American servicemen, wounding 171 others. It will be the highest
casualty rate ever inflicted on a U.S. naval vessel, with 7 out of every 10
crew members killed or injured. It will also be the only peacetime attack
on a U.S. naval vessel that, to this day, the Congress of the United States
of America formally refuses to investigate. The facts, as known, are as
follow:
24 May 1967. U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) orders
USS Liberty, an intelligence-gathering vessel, to depart Abidjan
for eastern Mediterranean, via Rota, Spain.
1 June 1967. Commanded by Capt. William McGonagle,
Liberty arrives at Rota to load technical support material and
supplies.
2 June 1967. Liberty departs Rota at top speed of 18
knots en route to a point 13 miles off the Gaza Strip, well within
international waters.
5 June 1967, 7:45 (all times cited are local Liberty
time).Israel attacks Egypt, simultaneously putting out false reports that
Egypt had attacked first. Captain McGonagle asks Vice Admiral William
Martin at Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer as an armed escort
and auxiliary communication center, noting that Liberty’s “self
defense capability limited to four .50 caliber machine guns and small
arms.”
6 June 1967. Admiral Martin replies “ Liberty is
clearly marked United States ship in international waters, not a
participant in the conflict and not a reasonable subject for attack by any
nation . . . Request for escort denied.”
7 June 1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S.
Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv sends coded message to U.S. National Security
Agency (NSA) that Israel intends to attack the Liberty if her
course is not changed.
8 June 1967:
0030: U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Joint Reconnaissance Center
(JRC) orders Liberty to go from 12½ to 20 nautical miles off
coast. An error by the U.S. Army Communications Center at the Pentagon
results in message never reaching the ship.
0130: JRC orders Liberty to approach no closer than
100 miles to the coasts of Egypt and Israel. Due to misrouting it will take
16½ hours for message to reach Liberty.
0600: Israeli Nord 2501 Noratlas (flying boxcar)
reconnoiters Liberty.
0603: Reconnaissance aircraft reports to Israeli naval
headquarters that “GTR-5” is written on the ship, identifying it as an NSA
intelligence vessel.
0720: Fresh American flag is raised.
0900: Jet aircraft approaches Liberty, then veers
off towards Gaza. Liberty crewmen unable to identify
markings.
1000: Two unmarked, rocket-armed, delta-winged jets
circle Liberty three times. Liberty officers can
count rockets and see the pilots, but see no identifying marks on the
plane. The jets radio Israeli headquarters that the ship is flying an
American flag.
1030: Israeli “flying boxcar” with Israeli markings
circles Liberty at about 200 feet. Crew member Larry Weaver
says, “I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the
right-hand side of the plane. He waved back, and actually smiled at
me.”
1055: Pinchas Pinchasy, naval liaison officer at Israeli air
force headquarters, reports to Naval Headquarters that the ship cruising
slowly off El Arish is “an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the
U.S. Navy, named Liberty, whose marking was GTR-5.”
1100 & 1130: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again
circle Liberty.
1205: Three Israeli motor torpedo boats leave Ashdod at high
speed headed toward Liberty. They are followed by Israeli air
force fighters, loaded with 30mm cannon ammunition, rockets, and
napalm.
1215 & 1245: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again
circle Liberty.
1341: Israeli torpedo boats spot Liberty and call
for an immediate air strike.
1358: Two unmarked delta-winged Mirage jets attack
Liberty. After taking out gun mounts, they target ship’s antennae and
bridge with heat-seeking missiles.
1405: Three unmarked Dassault Mystère IIIC jets attack with
napalm and rockets. Ship tries to contact Sixth Fleet headquarters, but
five of Liberty’s six shore circuits are jammed. Radio operator
manages to send distress signal from Captain McGonagle: “Under attack by
unidentified jet aircraft, require immediate assistance.” Attack lasts
approximately 22 minutes, involving 30 to 35 sorties, killing nine men and
wounding around 60. Israeli pilot reports to base: “Great, wonderful, she’s
burning, she’s burning.”
1409: Captain Joe Tully of the USS Saratoga acknowledges call
for help, dispatches four F-4 Phantom jets, and informs Liberty
that help is on the way. Within minutes U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert
MacNamara orders rescue jets to return: “Tell Sixth Fleet to get those
aircraft back immediately.” Rear Admiral Geis relays message and tells them
to re-launch jets in 90 minutes.
1424: Three French-built 62-ton Israeli motor torpedo boats
approach Liberty in attack formation. Because the Israeli
fighters had destroyed the American flag, Captain McGonagle orders the
signalman to hoist the “holiday ensign,” the largest flag the ship
has.
1435: Torpedo boats launch five German-made 19-inch torpedoes
at Liberty. One torpedo strikes starboard directly into NSA
area, accounting for 25 of the 34 men who would be killed. Torpedo boats
then circle, machine-gunning the ship with armor-piercing projectiles for
another 40 minutes.
1450: Commander of Sixth Fleet orders carriers USS America and
USS Saratoga to send aircraft to defend Liberty.
1500: NSA Sigint Command Center receives first notice of the
attack from either the America or Saratoga: “USS Liberty has
been reportedly torpedoed by unknown source in Med near 32N 33E. Request
examine all communications for possible reaction/reflections and report
accordingly.”
1505: Message sent to Liberty from Sixth Fleet:
“Sending aircraft to cover you. Surface units on the way.”
Liberty is off the air and does not receive the message.
1511: First “official” notice that Liberty is under
attack reaches National Military Command Center in Washington.
1515: After the order to “prepare to abandon ship” comes over
the loudspeaker system, the lifeboats are lowered into the water. Israeli
torpedo boats move in closer and fire on them, as well as those still on
deck, making them all unusable. “I watched with horror as the floating life
rafts were riddled with holes,” recalled Lieutenant Lloyd Painter, in
charge of the evacuation. Said Petty Officer Rowley, who also witnessed the
event: “They didn’t want anyone to live.” After destroying the life rafts,
the Israeli boats departed. Next, two Israeli SA-321 Super Frelon Hornet
assault helicopters carrying soldiers in battle dress circle ship several
times, then depart.
1520: Commander of Sixth Fleet announces that 12 aircraft will
be launched at 1545 to arrive near Liberty at 1715.
1532: Walt Rostow, President Johnson’s Special Assistant for
National Security Affairs, notifies the president of the attack.
1536: Israeli torpedo boats return, then leave.
1545: USS Saragota and America launch second rescue
flights.
1555: Liberty regains its transmitter; still has no
receiver.
1600: Liberty transmits: “Flash, flash, flash. I
pass in the blind. We are under attack by aircraft and high-speed surface
craft.” Deputy Director Louis Tordella is informed by Deputy Director of
Joint Reconnaissance Center, Captain Vineyard, that “consideration was then
being given by some unnamed Washington authorities to sink the
Liberty in order that newspaper men would be unable to photograph her and
thus inflame public opinion against the Israelis.” Tordella makes an
“impolite” comment about the idea, writes a memo of the conversation for
the record, and stores it away.
1605: Liberty transmits: “Request immediate
assistance. Torpedo hit starboard side.”
1614: American embassy relays Israeli apology to White House,
Department of State, and Sixth Fleet that an unidentified “maybe Navy” ship
has been erroneously attacked.
1615: Two unidentified jets approach Liberty, then
veer off.
1630: Israeli jets and three torpedo boats return, offer
assistance. Captain McGonagle refuses their help. Boats leave after 12
minutes.
1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes
recalled; order is confirmed by President Johnson because “we are not going
to embarrass an ally.” Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv,
Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces
headquarters.
1717: Deputy Secretary of Defense orders that all news releases
on attack are to be made in Washington. Soon after, Israeli helicopter
approaches Liberty and requests permission to land. McGonagle
refuses. Helicopter departs.
1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet
in the Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to
Secretary of Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the
phone and says he didn’t care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his
allies. Admiral Geis tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of
the Liberty’s NSA group, of the remark, but asks him not to
repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise Lewis will honor.
1915: Captain McGonagle, wounded and exhausted, dictates first
report on estimated casualties: 10 dead; 15 severely wounded; 75 total
wounded; undetermined missing. His estimates would prove low.
9 June 1967:
After midnight: Soviet guided missile destroyer sends
flashing-light message in English: “Do you need help?” Liberty
responds: “No thank you.” Soviets answer: “I will stand by in case you need
me.”
0600: USS Navy destroyers Davis and Massey arrive.
Mid-morning: Dead and wounded are evacuated by
helicopter.
1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander
Castle that Liberty, because it was not flying a flag, had been
mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Queseir. State Department assures
Congress that attack was accidental.
10 June 1967: Vice Admiral McCain orders Rear Admiral Isaac
Kidd to convene Navy Court of Inquiry.
11 June 1967: Admiral Kidd boards Liberty with small
staff to head Navy Court of Inquiry.
14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total news
blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: “You are never, repeat
never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you
will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse.”
Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, “Department of Defense
will have no further comment.”
15 June 1967: Secretary of State Dean Rusk tells NATO
ambassadors in Luxembourg that Israel’s attack was deliberate. His remark
is reported in European, but not U.S. papers.
18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry exonerates Israeli
government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo boats
erroneously reported the Liberty’s speed at 30 knots instead of
5, and that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying
markings. Later, Israel will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that
fired the deadly torpedo at the Liberty, by putting its wheel
and bell on display in its naval museum, among those maritime items of
which it is most proud.
July 1967: Shortly after the burial of six Liberty
crewmen in Arlington National Cemetery, a monument is erected describing
the six as having “Died in the Eastern Mediterranean.” Liberty
survivors complain that the marking is evasive and improper.
September 1967: State Department legal adviser Carl Salans
finds many discrepancies with the Israeli report. His report is classified
Top Secret.
11 June 1968: Captain McGonagle is awarded the Congressional
Medal of Honor. The Medal, usually presented by the President of the United
States at the White House, is presented by the Secretary of the Navy during
a hastily arranged ceremony at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard. Admiral
Thomas H. Moorer, the Chief of Naval Operations, calls the way the Medal is
presented a back-handed slap. “Everyone else received their medal at the
White House,” Moorer will later observe. “President Johnson must have been
concerned about the reaction of the Israeli lobby.”
1980: National Security Agency Director Marshall Carter tells
investigative author James Bamford that, regarding the attack on
the Liberty, “There was no other answer than that it was
deliberate.”
1981: National Security Agency review, “Attack on a Sigint
Collector, the USS Liberty Incident,” rejects the Israeli Court
of Inquiry’s “mistake” theory and accuses Israeli fighter pilots and
torpedo boat crewmen and commanders of perjury.
1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches former Congressman
Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore
the American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and
returned to base, where he was arrested.
6 October 1982: A new headstone for the six Liberty
crew members at Arlington National Cemetery is unveiled. This one reads:
“Killed USS Liberty June 8, 1967.”
1986: Lt. Commander Walter H. Jacobsen writes in Naval Law
Review: “To speculate on the motives of an attack group that uses unmarked
planes and deprives helpless survivors of life rafts raises disturbing
possibilities, including the one that the Liberty crew was not
meant to survive the attack...”
6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak publish interview
with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in which Porter
says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli
messages. One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty,
another has an Israeli pilot replying it’s an American ship. When the order
to attack is repeated, the pilot insists he can see the American flag. The
pilot is told again: “Attack it.”
8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed Chief of Naval
Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a
reunion of survivors: “I have to conclude that it was Israel’s intent to
sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel
knew perfectly well that the ship was American.”
November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his long silence:
“After many years I finally believe that the attack was deliberate. I don’t
think there has been an adequate investigation of the incident . . . The
flag was flying prior to the attack...” McGonagle will die four months
later, on March 3, 1999.
References
Two 12-page articles have appeared in AMEU’s bimonthly
publication The Link:
“The USS Liberty Affair,” by James E. Ennes, Jr. This issue is available
in PDF download from the AMEU website. Search by author or year (1984).
“Remember the Liberty,” by John Borne, with an introductory memorandum by
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
This issue is available in PDF download from the AMEU website. Search by
author or year (1997).
Ennes, James, Assault on the Liberty, 2002 edition. Available
from AMEU, $25.00 Ennes was the lieutenant on watch at the time the
Israelis first attacked the Liberty. A full chapter is devoted
to Israel’s motives for knowingly attacking the ship.
Bamford, James, Body of Secrets, 2001 edition. Available from
AMEU, $19.95. Bamford offers several important pieces of information
previous classified. On page 226, e.g., he tells of President Johnson’s
reaction:
At 11:29 A.M. (5:29 P.M.), Johnson took the unusual step of ordering the
JCS to recall the fighters while the Liberty still lay
smoldering, sinking, fearful of another attack, without aid, and with its
decks covered with the dead, the dying, and the wounded. Onboard the
flagship of the Sixth Fleet, Rear Admiral Lawrence R. Geis, who commanded
the carrier force in the Mediterranean, was angry and puzzled at the recall
and protested it to Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara.
Admiral Geis was shocked by what he heard next. According to information
obtained for Body of Secrets, “President Lyndon Johnson came on with a
comment that he didn’t care if the ship sank, he would not embarrass his
allies.” Admiral Geis told Lieutenant Commander David Lewis, the head of
the NSA group on the Liberty, about the comment but asked him to
keep it secret until after Geis died. It was a promise that Lewis
kept.
Tito, Howard. The Loss of Liberty. This is a 50-minute video
made in 2001, and includes graphic footage of the attack, and interviews
with high ranking naval personnel. The video is also available through AMEU
for $22.50.
Triplett, William, “Death on the USS Liberty,” in “VVA
Veteran,” Sept-Oct. 2002. Offers chilling interviews with survivors. Larry
Weaver, a 21-year-old bosun’s mate on the Liberty, who was not
expected to live, was airlifted to the USS AMERICA, where he immediately
underwent the first of 26 major surgeries. He was subsequently flown to
American hospitals in Crete, Italy and Germany, and then sent to the
Philadelphia Naval Hospital for recovery. He recalls:
“I was four days in intensive care in a wheelchair in Philadelphia, and I
was told an admiral wanted to talk to me,” Weaver recalls. “I went to meet
him in a room and he closed the door and deadbolted it, which kind of
scared me. He then took his stars off, saying, “I’m not an admiral now.
Tell me what you know.” Weaver told him, emphasizing, among other points,
that throughout most of the attack, because of his position on the ship, he
had had a clear view of the Stars and Stripes flying off the ship’s bow,
clearly identifying the Liberty as American. The Israelis claim
the spy ship was flying no flag. “The admiral then said, ‘Okay,’ and put
his stars back on and he pointed at me. And he said, ‘Larry, if you repeat
this or talk to anyone about this you’ll be put into prison and we’ll throw
away the key.’”
Green, Stephen. i>Taking Sides: America’s Secret Relations with a Militant
Israel. Published in 1984 by William Morrow and Company, Inc., this work
remains a primary source on the attack and cover-up.
Borne, John. The USS Liberty: Dissenting History Versus
Official History. Published in 1995, this book focuses on the
contradictions in the various official explanations that have been given
for Israel’s attack on the Liberty.
The official web site for the USS Liberty is:
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
for DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
JS
Figured out why you would post such an asinine question. It is because it
would kill you
to give an inch in a duel with me and I believe with anyone
else?
Stanley
In a message dated 1/11/2015 8:46:11 P.M. Eastern Standard
Time, schalestock@xxxxxxxx writes:
Stan,
Not even sure what you mean when you use the word "think".
On the one hand you say, "do you really think that Israel did not tell
Washington to move the Liberty back before attacking?"
Could you please explain the logic of that? Why in the world would Israel
tell Washington to move the Liberty back before attacking?!
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "
sblumen123@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 17:06:33 -0500
JS
Which report did you and DR pick? Also what is your comment on the order
for the Liberty to move 100 miles back which they
didn't receive until after the attack because they werent monitoring the
right frequency and do you really think that Israel did
not tell Washington to move the Liberty back before attacking? Think,
think, think.
Stan
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To: sparkscoffee < sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 1:25 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Like a whore screwing for love.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." < n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:34:13 -0500
An idealist for money, now that's rich.
DR
On Jan 11, 2015 9:50 AM, "Redacted sender
sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC" <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
RR
There are a lot of contradictory reports on the Pollard case by Googling,
check 6. on the FBI reports over a 9 month period interegating
Jonathan
in short saying he was an idealist not a for profit spy. You pick which
one you believe and I will do the same.
Stanley
-----Original Message-----
From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, Jan 10, 2015 3:05 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: USS Liberty
The person I am talking about is Jonathan
Pollard.
You have to remember the U.S. Government did not releases all of the
Secrets the Mr. Pollard sold to Israel. Israel admitted to paying Pollard
for secrets.
Just because Israel is an ally we do not just give them all of our
secrets. It wasn't up to Mr. Pollard to determine that Israel should have
our above Top Secret military hardware and systems
information.
The US Government knows what Jonathan had access to, and Jonathan knows
exactly what he gave away.
We here on this net have pieces of Secret and Top Secret and parts of
Above Top Secret information. We know from our training that even those
little bits can pin point a project above Top Secret. We've traveled to a
place and dropped off military hardware for US Marines that later made the
headlines. We know not to reveal secure and not secure communications -
it's a crime.
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