[sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Israel and Palestine
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:01:37 -0400
Yes, the governor must be a Christian, but also the whole legislature
and all the government. This was all repealed in 1917. It was also
in 1917 that citizenship was extended to non-Christians in
Massachusetts.
I agree that USA was a Christian country founded by Christians.
I believe that our nation is being destroyed by those forcing their
beliefs upon us, but I will show you where this has been done. It was
done when the Supreme Court threw out the Bible as the basis of Common
Law. Our nation - except for Louisiana is founded on British Common
Law. Without the Bible as a basis, our laws become what the Judges
want to believe, not what the Law (as in Natural Law) is that judges
used to have to try to discern.
This had to be done to pass things like abortion and gay marriage.
Of course the statements by American communists that they would
destroy marriage are remarkable. Too few took them serious when they
were spoken.
Now we've ruptured those laws that "everyone knew were wrong" because
morality has become whatever a person thinks is right or wrong. Like
my discussion with Stanley for some time when he was saying that right
and wrong can be unclear in all cases, but I managed to get him to
admit that there were some things that were clear.
The things that are clear have been called "Natural Law" and
Christians and Jews agree that Natural Law is certainly God's law
which man has a history of not following, and that Moses had to get
those two tablets from the mountain because man refused to do what was
written on his heart.
Without Natural Law, anything goes. Destroy Natural Law and the
Communists or National Socialists can enter and do their thing.
73
DR
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> DR,
> The United States was founded by Christians and is, or was, a Christian
> nation. No argument there. But as Christians we do not force our beliefs on
> people, or call ourselves God's Chosen People. This is one of the things
> that made our nation great, and the destruction of our nation is being
> caused by people who want to force their beliefs and their laws on us (i.e.,
> rule over us) and support those foreign nations that are not Christian and
> do not share our belief in personal freedom and liberty.
>
> All of the problems in the Middle East are the result of barbaric religious
> sects, which like the proven failure of socialism, should be enough to show
> that we want no part of this. For a politician to support any of those
> regimes, be it Muslim or Jew is against the American Constitution and
> everything America once stood for and is an act of treason to the American
> people.
>
> The only thing I read below that discriminates is that the governor must be
> a Christian. Not surprising since Massachusetts was founded as a Christian
> colony.
>
> -RR
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
> Sent: Aug 1, 2014 7:37 PM
> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Israel and Palestine
>
> That is the amended copy, which is as it stands now. To see what was you
> have to go back in time before the amendments. It was only in 1917 that
> Massachusetts
>
> Article XLVI. (In place of article XVIII of the articles of amendment of the
> constitution ratified and adopted April 9, 1821, the following article of
> amendment, submitted by the constitutional convention, was ratified and
> adopted November 6, 1917.)
>
> Article XVIII.
> Section 1. No law shall be passed prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
>
> Part II:
>
> Any every denomination of Christians, demeaning themselves peaceably, and as
> good subjects of the commonwealth, shall be equally under the protection of
> the law: and no subordination of any one sect or denomination to another
> shall ever be established by law.] [Art. XI of the Amendments substituted
> for this].
>
> This is Art. XI:
>
> Article XI. Instead of the third article of the bill of rights, the
> following modification and amendment thereof is substituted.
>
> "As the public worship of God and instructions in piety, religion and
> morality, promote the happiness and prosperity of a people and the security
> of a republican government; -- therefore, the several religious societies of
> this commonwealth, whether corporate or unincorporate, at any meeting
> legally warned and holden for that purpose, shall ever have the right to
> elect their pastors or religious teachers, to contract with them for their
> support, to raise money for erecting and repairing houses for public
> worship, for the maintenance of religious instruction, and for the payment
> of necessary expenses: and all persons belonging to any religious society
> shall be taken and held to be members, until they shall file with the clerk
> of such society, a written notice, declaring the dissolution of their
> membership, and thenceforth shall not be liable for any grant or contract
> which may be thereafter made, or entered into by such society: -- and all
> religious sects and denominations, demeaning themselves peaceably, and as
> good citizens of the commonwealth, shall be equally under the protection of
> the law; and no subordination of any one sect or denomination to another
> shall ever be established by law." [See Amendments, Arts. XLVI and XLVIII,
> The Initiative, section 2, and The Referendum, section 2].
>
> LIKEWISE members of the General Court (Legislature) and other offices of our
> government were required to be Christians.
>
> Chapter II
> EXECUTIVE POWER
> SECTION I
> The Governor
>
> Article I. There shall be a supreme executive magistrate, who shall be
> styled, The Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts; and whose title
> shall be -- His Excellency.
>
> Article II. The governor shall be chosen [annually]; and no person shall be
> eligible to this office, unless at the time of his election, he shall have
> been an inhabitant of this commonwealth for seven years next preceding; [and
> unless he shall at the same time, be seised in his own right, of a freehold
> within the commonwealth of the value of one thousand pounds; and unless he
> shall declare himself to be of the Christian religion.] [See Amendments,
> Arts. VII,XXXIV, LXIV and LXXX.]
>
> You'd have to really go to the State House Library as I have and read the
> documents as they were printed in each year to really easily understand it.
> The "See Amendments" editing can be very confusing.
>
> 73
>
> DR
>
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2014 9:07 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Constitution of Massachusetts
>>
>> 1780
>>
>> PART THE FIRST
>>
>> A Declaration of the Rights of the Inhabitants of the Commonwealth of
>> Massachusetts
>>
>>
>> Article II. It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society,
>> publicly, and at stated seasons to worship the Supreme Being, the great
>> Creator and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt,
>> molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping
>> God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own
>> conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments; provided he doth
>> not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship.
>>
>> Article XVIII.
>> Section 1. No law shall be passed prohibiting the free exercise of
>> religion.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>> Sent: Aug 1, 2014 5:43 PM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The Truth About Israel and Palestine
>>
>> USA wasn't founded on separation of church and state.
>>
>> The Federal givernment was simply prohibited to establish a religion.
>>
>> States however like Massachusetts whose constitution was the model of the
>> Federal Constitution and pre-dated it, established Harvard College and that
>> all citizens of the Commonwealth be Christians.
>>
>> JS can tell you about Virginia perhaps.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> DR
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2014 10:26 AM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> A history of Israel and Palestine.
>>>
>>> All religious fanatics are crazy and dangerous to humanity. America was
>>> founded on a principle of separation between church and state as well as not
>>> meddling in the affairs of foreign countries. Any politician who supports
>>> either side of a religious conflict, especially in a foreign country should
>>> be tried for treason in my humble opinion.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzlh9kN4HI
>>>
>>> -RR
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