Open minded RR Still clinging to your idiot view of H.R. 5542, the Japanese allowed gun ownership when there is no woods for hunting(?), what about all the European countries Hitler over ran before he attacked the USSR re gun ownership? Do you really think gun ownership would have stopped the Nazi blitzkreigs when whole armies couldn't? Where did you get the info that Russians weren't allowed guns and cameras when I have seen many family pictures and all the other crap you mentioned? Socialisim is not totalitarian by definition, by now you should know its a matter of ownership of the means of production. The USA could become a socialist nation by taking over the factories and large (not small) farms, stopping outsourcing and still have a President, Congress, Supreme Court, State, City goverments, etc just like it is now. Simple Simon do you really think the Russians could have done better by issuing pistols and assult rifles to the people? In fact I don't believe they were prevented from buying guns if they had the money? Do you think you can stop a tank with an assult rifle, idiot? The famous sticky Molotov Cocktails did a lot better. Comrade Blumenthal In a message dated 2/1/2013 5:09:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: One more factoid: All these genocides occurred after the governments banned guns, with the exception of the Japanese genocide of the Chinese in which case it was the Chinese government that banned guns and left its citizens defenseless...It might also explain why 20 million Russians were killed by the Germans in WWII. -RR -----Forwarded Message----- From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Feb 1, 2013 1:42 PM To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Why weren't the 62 million murders exposed earlier? <ZZZHE Stan, Total number of murders by all governments 1900-1999 was 172 million. Total number of murders by Soviet Union 1917-1989 was 62 million. Not all these genocides were communists, such as Nazi Germany, but all were totalitarian governments. Socialism by definition is a totalitarian government. -RR -----Original Message----- From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx Sent: Feb 1, 2013 12:25 PM To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Why weren't the 62 million murders exposed earlier? RR I checked out all 4 of the top email adds. and didn't bother with the bottom books.google one. The whole shebang is about the whole world's "mans in-humanity to man" which continues daily, it definitly does not single out communisim and in fact mentions that it didn't have much evidence and asked for such against communist countries. Why don't you send your pictures, documents, etc evidence of 62 million murders by the USSR? Why didn't you mention before that the 62M happened over an 80 year period and why didn't you mention all the other non communist countries like Japan as committing heinous crimes? Isn't it up to China, Russia, Viet Nam. etc to decide who their mass murderers are? Stalin was denounced of some murders but not 62 million. What would you think if China, Russia, Viet Nam, etc did a research and claimed that our George Washington was a mass murderer? Note Mao is China's George Washington. Also China accusses us of interferring in their internal affairs and threatens to do the same to us if we don't stop. Do you understand my points? Incidentally in today's Miami Herald there is a little piece, Wash. DC. VA that SUICIDE RATE RISES AMONG VETERANS at roughly 22 a day, more then two thirds are over 50 so it is not just the current conflicts. Doesn't speak well for a captalist society and I have no idea what it is in a communist/socialist country? You say you have an open mind yet you cling to H.R. 5542 as merely a tax on imports which contradicts your statement. Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense - Buddha Comrade Blumenthal In a message dated 2/1/2013 7:54:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Stan, The 62 million muders in the Soviet Union happened over a period of 80 years. It wasn't the same as the German genocide where people were herded into work camps then later murdered en mass when they couldn't afford to feed them anymore. In the Soviet Union people most of the people murdered were political dissidents, who either "commited suicide" while in police custody, were sent a gulag in Siberia to die of cold and starvation, or who just disappeared. Although there are no photos (it was illegal to own a camera) there are government records which you can see on the University of Hawaii website. Photos: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM1.PHOTOS.ROOM1.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM2.PHOTOS.ROOM2.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM3.PHOTOS.ROOM3.HTM http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/tag/democide-photo/ http://books.google.co.cr/books/about/Statistics_of_Democide.html?id=LFDWp7O 9_dIC&redir_esc=y -RR -----Original Message----- From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx Sent: Feb 1, 2013 2:37 AM To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sparkscoffee] Why weren't the 62 million murders exposed earlier? The three sheepies and the rest of the gang During the cold war and even years afterwards the only holocaust talked about was the one produced by the Germains with pictures of showers that were gas chambers, ovens to incinerate, stuffed cattle trains to the concentration camps, surviving witness testimonies, books, movies, documentations. The ones presumed produced by communist countries is a relatively recent phenomenon without pictures of gas chambers, ovens, stuffed trains, the number of like witness testimonies although there were a few, books, movies and high profile respected peoples backing the crazy, unbelievable, impracticable numbers like 62 million which would make our allied USSR unable to defend its self from a victorius blitzkrieg army giving us time to prepare for the Normandy invasion. If 62 million were a true figure there would be an enormous string of witnesses, pictures, hugh burial grounds, means of execusions, etc. Then there is motives, Hitler's final solution of ridding the world of jews, gypsies, soviet prisoners, handycapped children, etc. Why would the USSR want to kill so many of their own citizens weakening and demoralizing their own country when they were struggling to industrialize and prepare for war and there wasn't even a revolt as in Syria? Only brain washed, illogical, anti socialist sheepies would swallow hook, line and sinker that Johnny come lately crap. Comrade Blumenthal The government is good at one thing...They break your legs, then give you a crutch and tell you "See, without the government you wouldn't be able to walk" "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford </ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford