RR,
Public Excommunication is extremely rare. It would be completely
unreasonable to excommunicated all Nazis
However much more common is the excommunication that one does automatically
to oneself:
"The Fifth Commandment
Murder and acting as an accomplice to murder are forbidden. Killing unarmed
civilians during a war is forbidden. The abortion of a human being, from
the moment of conception on, is forbidden. Suicide, self-mutilation, and
self-destructive behavior are forbidden. Euthanasia—killing the
handicapped, the sick, and the dying—is also forbidden. [2268–2283,
2322–2325] (The numbers in parentheses refer to sections of the Catechism
of the Catholic Church, Copyright 2000, U.S. Catholic Conference)
Whoever participates in an abortion, forces a woman to undergo an abortion,
or merely advises her to do so is
automatically excommunicated—just as with other crimes against human life.
If a psychologically ill person commits suicide, responsibility for the act
of killing is often diminished and in many cases completely annulled."
[YouCAT, Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church (English), Christopher
Schoenborn, 2011 Ignatius Press]
The Catechism of the Catholic Church provides for a remedy for such
behavior automatic excommunication, although by an authentic and sincere
confession and suitable penance, such excommunication can be ended and the
person restored to the state of grace, which is always the aim of the
Church.
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DR
On Dec 16, 2016 7:22 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
You seem to have your own definitions for words. I've been proven wrong?
About what? Because somebody else says something different, something that
you agree with, that means that I'm wrong?
Proof consists of forensic evidence: chemical analysis, dead bodies,
official records and statements made by people who are being accused.
Furthermore, our system of justice guarantees that any person being accused
of a crime has the right to face their accusers. If this is not done, then
they are judged to be innocent. There is a very good reason for this.
Not only that, but in no court of law I know of can you convict a dead
person of a crime. There is a very good reason for this too.
I have no interest in debating religious dogma but I found this on a
Catholic forum.
Following the assassination attempt upon Hitler in November, 1939, the Pope
(Pius III) sent him a personal note of congratulations on his miraculous
survival. Later that month, the Pope assured Menshausen, a German official,
that the Church did not oppose totalitarian regimes, and that he (Pius XII)
went out of his way to keep all of his declarations ambiguous so that no
finger could be pointed at Germany.
This shows that the RC Church supported Hitler at that time, at least.
http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1983-4/shelton.htm
The blanket excommunication of Nazi's appears to be a legend. I am not an
expert in this area; I wholeheartedly welcome any refutation of this from a
reputable source, the Vatican itself included.
This site provides what appears to be a reasonably balanced (slightly
pro-Vatican) perspective on the problem - and it does claim that no Nazis
were excommunicated, though some Germans were excommunicated for their
advocacy of cremation(!):
http://www.religioustolerance.org/vat_hol12.htm
Imo
