[sib-access] Re: Writing lyrics to slightly different verses
- From: Benjamin Blatter <benjaminblatter@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2013 14:50:31 +0200
Hi Dale and all
thank you for your suggestion. I'm afraid I don't understand everything
completely yet. Might be because my native language is German.
You wrote:
> By adjusting the ties, either placing one or removing that one,
depending on
> which verse you are inputting, you should be able to make it work.
But what about the different melody? Verse 1 and 2 sound identical, the
third verse has two notes more. Should I just write the different third
verse and join these two notes with a tie? Then comunicate the
difference in the rehearsal? And if I understand correctly there is
still the problem that sibelius won't place a syllable on the seconth of
two tied notes, right? but that's exactly what I would need.
Maybe luck is with me right now: I just discovered this song as a free
music sheet download. Seems that I escaped yet again. but I really want
to know how this is done properly because I'm sure I'll run in this
situation again soon.
I'll try to find out how this problem is solved in this official score.
Hopefully we can find a way in sibelius too. I'll keep you informed.
Thanks for all your help
Ben
Am 05.10.2013 11:28, schrieb Dale Lieser:
> Hello, Ben,
>
> I have encountered the same situation you describe. I think the solution is
> to actually adjust the number of notes depending on which verse you are
> inputting. It seems to me it shouldn't have to be so, but I haven't yet
> discovered a way around it. Also, in vocal music it is common for to eighth
> notes, for example, to be tied (not slurred) together. The singer will see
> that for one verse, let's say, a syllable will have the duration of a
> quarter, which in our example is the two tied eighth notes. In the next
> verse there might be a syllable allotted to each of the eighth notes. The
> annoying thing is that Sibelius treats the tie as it usually would, and not
> place a syllable on the second of those eighths.
>
> By adjusting the ties, either placing one or removing that one, depending on
> which verse you are inputting, you should be able to make it work.
>
> Does this help?
>
> Dale
>
>
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> Subject: [sib-access] Writing lyrics to slightly different verses
>
> Hello all
>
> I'm writing a choir arrangement for a song. The first two verses are
> rhytmically identical. But the third verse has two notes in addition
> because of some more lyrics which have to fit in.
> Well, I finally encounter a problem which I somehow was able to avoid
> spectacularly for many years by just not writing the verses at all or
> adding or leaving some words. but now I'd like really to know how one is
> supposed to deal with this situation.
>
> I wrote the first verse in a text file and imported it by pressing Alt
> C, X, Y and F. I think I did it right, it's really simple stuff. My
> problem for the first and 2nd verse is that there are now actually two
> notes which don't have any lyrics and shouldn't be sung either. I tried
> to let sibelius move the text cursor by adding three spaces where no
> lyrics should be. But wheter I try it with 3 or 4 spaces sibelius always
> tells me that my lyrics seem to be shorter than the music.
> I hope you get what my problem is about.
>
> By the way I really want to thank you Dale Lieser again for your great
> tutorial about inputting lyrics. This tutorial did speed up my workflow
> extremely. And overall I rarely need sighted assistance in dealing with
> layout problems anymore.
> for anyone who missed this tutorial I'll copy it below.
> Thanks all for your help and kind regards
> Ben
>
>
> Tutorial
>
> INPUTTING LYRICS FROM TEXT FILE
>
>
> Sibelius provides the means for efficient entry of lyrics via the "From text
> file" option. Once a text file of lyrics has been carefully created, this
> feature gets the lyrics from that file and aligns them properly with the
> notes of the selected passage. The sequence of keystrokes for the "From Text
> File" feature is: alt+c, x, y, f.
>
>
>
> Preparing the Text File
>
> Proper hyphenation and spacing are the two most important considerations
> when writing your text file. Hyphenation should follow the normal practice
> of dividing words and nothing more. Spacing, however, demands much detail.
> Remember that both the hyphen (-)and space (blank space entered via the
> <spacebar>) advance the Sibelius cursor to the next note.
>
>
>
> In multi-syllabic words in which each component applies to only one note, no
> extra spacing is required. But when one syllable spans more than a single
> note, additional spaces cause Sibelius to execute the appropriate visual
> indications while also working proper alignment with the notes.
>
>
>
> Let's use the line from the carol Joy to the World, "Let every heart prepare
> Him room, And", as our example. With a 2/4 meter, our example will be
> approximately 4 measures long. Carefully examine the following line with
> regard to hyphenation and spacing, and then we'll discuss it.
>
>
>
> Let eve- ry heart pre-pare Him room, And
>
>
>
> First, note that the hyphenation offers no surprises, the words being
> divided in standard places.
>
>
>
> Now the examination of spacing. Remember that a single space advances to the
> next note. The "extra" spaces provide the necessary advancing to other notes
> to which a given syllable applies. In the first syllable of "every", the
> hyphen serves to advance the cursor to the next note. Then, even though one
> would not normally have a space in the middle of a word, just such a thing
> is required here, in order to not get to the second syllable too soon.
>
>
>
> The second syllable of "every" is followed by two, yes, 2 spaces. Since no
> hyphen is involved because the word "every" has ended, the extra space is
> what tells Sibelius that the word "heart" does not come just yet. In other
> words, each syllable of "every" is sung on two notes, so the first syllable
> of the word is followed immediately by a hyphen and a space; and the second
> syllable is followed by two spaces, rather than a hyphen and a space.
>
>
>
> Since the word "heart" is only one syllable, but spans three notes in our
> example, the setting of this lyric to its notes calls for three spaces.
>
>
>
> For the sake of our example, let's call hyphens and spaces "advancers",
> because of the forward movement they exert on the cursor. Here is the rule
> for entering lyrics for proper spacing:
>
>
>
> Beginning of Rule
>
> The number of advancers must be equal to the number of notes for a given
> syllable.
>
> End of Rule
>
>
>
> So then, you can use a hyphen, a space, or a combination of a hyphen and one
> or more spaces to get the job done. Note that you will not use two
> consecutive hyphens. However, consecutive spaces are not uncommon. The only
> place for a hyphen in a set of advancers is the beginning of the string. Do
> not use a hyphen between or after spaces.
>
>
>
> Other Considerations
>
> Although Sibelius offers the option of hyphenating lyrics automatically, do
> not use that choice, since reviewing the result, and editing if necessary,
> are more cumbersome than worthwhile. Also, editing the lyrics usually
> destroys the alignment Sibelius has so nicely provided when flowing from a
> text file.
>
>
>
> Punctuation should be placed just as it would be in literary writing. Do not
> let a hyphen or space separate punctuation from the syllable to which it
> belongs.
>
>
>
> Sibelius requires that the appropriate slurs and ties be in place in your
> score before flowing in the lyrics.
>
>
>
> While gaining familiarity with the "From Text File" feature, you might
> consider dividing a score's lyrics into smaller segments, perhaps
> designating one file for each verse, another for the chorus, etc. Then flow
> the lyrics into the score one section at a time. Remember, you'll need to
> select a passage in the score so Sibelius knows the boundaries of the coming
> lyrics. The advantage of working in smaller units is that, if Sibelius
> recognizes an error, such as too few or too many lyrics for the selected
> passage, it becomes easier to hone in on the problem.
>
>
>
> Be careful to not use a <return> or any blank lines in your text file. The
> temptation might be to do so for basic formatting. Override that desire. No
> blank lines in the text file.
>
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