Kobi, On outer layers, where copper plating and solder mask increase the impedance uncertainty, without premium, +-15% may be easy. On inner layer this figure is +-10%. Tighter tolerance is always possible, but you may need to pay more. If trace impedance is important for you, you may want to select a trusted PCB fabriactor, give them an approximate first-cut stackup, and ask the fabricator to maintain the impedance you specify. If you have to deal with a lesser-known fabricator, you may need to do more home work and have to specify the stackup more directly, by using field solver simulations. To come up with a stackup that people can manufacture, you will need to know the electrical and mechanical properties of prepregs and cores that is likely available to the fabricator. Leaving the task to the fabricator is less work for you, but it has to be kept in mind that the fabricator may need to adjust some parameters to meet your target: they may change trace width or the dielectric height(s), which in turn may increase/decrease crosstalk and losses. Best regards,. Istvan Novak SUN Microsystems kobik74 wrote: >Hi gurus > >How do you specify to the PCB manufacturer the controlled impedance >requirements > >Except the layer stack up, layer thickness (oz), board thickness and >text that define the controlled impedance for signals in each layer >do you also define the PCB material type (Er, Silkscreen, Solder >=85), inner dielectric thickness or you trust the manufacturer to >reach the controlled impedance? > >How much tolerance do you permit? > >Thanks in advance >Kobi > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu