Hi McMorrow I do not agree with you. Please try the following netlist. The far-end crosstalk is zero. match_1.sp the simple diff transmissionline .options list node post .op .tran 0.5n 100n *driver vp in1 gnd pulse 0 5 1n 1n 1n 3n 8n *vn in2 gnd pulse 10 0 1n 1n 1n 3n 8n *transmission line Wcable in1 in2 gnd out1 out2 gnd RLGCfile=diffline.rlgc n=2 l=5000mil *receiver rin2 in2 gnd 47.69 rout1 out1 gnd 47.69 rout2 out2 gnd 47.69 .end The difference is the terminal at the farend. There is no difference at near end. Best Regards Zhangkun 2002.12.09 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott McMorrow <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx>; <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] The crosstalk of transmission line when it is completelymatched > Zhangkun, > > You are getting reflected reverse crosstalk off of the driver. You will > need to match the driver impedance to the transmission line impedance to > eliminate this reflection. Since the driver is a perfect source, your > reflection coefficient is -1. > > scott > > -- > Scott McMorrow > Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC > 2926 SE Yamhill St. > Portland, OR 97214 > (503) 239-5536 > http://www.teraspeed.com > > > > > > > Zhangkun wrote: > > >Hi all: > > > >This morning, I do some crosstalk simulation. I find something interesting. > >The following is what I do. > > > >1. Create diffline.rlgc from rlgc.sp > >2. Calculate the Z_diff and Z_comm from diffline.rlgc > >3. Match the diffline and simulate it by match_2.sp > > > >I find the near end crosstalk and the far end crosstalk are equal. This is > >not same to the general crosstalk theory. I want to know why. > > > >rlgc.sp > >.OPTION PROBE POST > >VIMPULSE in1 gnd PULSE 0v 5v 5n 2n 2n 20n > >W1 in1 in2 gnd out1 out2 gnd FSmodel=cond2_sys N=2 l=1000mil > >Rin2 in2 gnd 49 > >Rout1 out1 gnd 49 > >Rout2 out2 gnd 49 > >.MATERIAL diel DIELECTRIC ER=4.5 > >.SHAPE rect RECTANGLE WIDTH=7mil, HEIGHT=2mil, > >.LAYERSTACK stack1, > >+LAYER=(PEC,20mil), LAYER=(diel,22mil), > >+LAYER=(PEC,20mil) > >.FSOPTIONS opt1 PRINTDATA=YES > >.MODEL cond2_sys W MODELTYPE=FieldSolver, > >+LAYERSTACK=stack1, FSOPTIONS=opt1 > >+RLGCFILE=diffline.rlgc > >+CONDUCTOR=(SHAPE=rect, ORIGIN=(0,30mil)), > >+CONDUCTOR=(SHAPE=rect, ORIGIN=(14mil,30mil)) > >.TRAN 0.5n 100n > >.PROBE v(out1) > >.END > > > >diffline.sp > >*SYSTEM_NAME : cond2_sys > >* > >* ------------------------------------ Z = 0.0015748 > >* //// Top Ground Plane ////////////// > >* ------------------------------------ Z = 0.0010668 > >* diel H = 0.0005588 > >* ------------------------------------ Z = 0.000508 > >* //// Bottom Ground Plane /////////// > >* ------------------------------------ Z = 0 > > > >* N (number of signal conductors) > >********************************* > >2 > > > >* Lo (H/m) > >********************************* > >3.42622e-07 > >6.40120e-08 3.42622e-07 > > > > > >* Co (F/m) > >********************************* > >1.50678e-10 > >-2.82540e-11 1.50678e-10 > > > > > >* Ro (Ohms/m) > >********************************* > >0.00000e+00 > >0.00000e+00 0.00000e+00 > > > > > >* Go (S/m) > >********************************* > >0.00000e+00 > >-0.00000e+00 0.00000e+00 > > > >match_2.sp > >the simple diff transmissionline > > > >.options list node post > >.op > >.tran 0.5n 100n > > > >*driver > >vp in1 gnd pulse 0 5 1n 1n 1n 3n 8n > >*vn in2 gnd pulse 10 0 1n 1n 1n 3n 8n > >rin2 in2 gnd 47.69 > > > >*transmission line > >Wcable in1 in2 gnd out1 out2 gnd RLGCfile=diffline.rlgc n=2 l=5000mil > > > >*receiver > >rout1 out1 node1 39.4598 > >rout2 out2 node1 39.4598 > >rcon node1 gnd 9.0864 > > > >.end > > > >Z_diff=78.9195 Z_comm=28.8163 > >rou1=rout2=Z_diff/2 > >rcon=(2*Z_comm-Z_diff/2)/2 > > > >Best Regards > >Zhangkun > >2002.12.06 > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe from si-list: > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > >For help: > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > >List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > >or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu