[SI-LIST] Re: Split Ground Planes
- From: zhangkun 29902 <zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: doug@xxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:05:21 +0800
Dear all
Splitting ground plane or not depends on the system. In most situation,
splitting ground plane is not a good recommend. The return path of the signal
would be affectted. At very low frequency domain, the ground plane should be
properly cutted in some situation to avoid resistance-crosstalk. The phenomanon
could be detected by means of VNA of low frquency domain, such as HP 4395A.
Unless the situation is carefully studied, splitting ground plane is not
recommended.
I hope this will help.
Best Regards
Zhangkun
2004.10.27
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Smith <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:04 am
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Split Ground Planes
> Hi Jose and the group,
>
> I normally reply personally to people to avoid the glut of
> "out-of-office" messages, but feel I needed to add to this discussion.
>
> Signal propagation is an important but small part of the trouble
> you
> can get into with split planes if not implemented properly. Even
> if
> you manage to get the signal propagation right, system reliability
> can
> be severely compromised as it is easy to turn every cable in the
> system into a great receiving array to pick up impulses you can
> easily
> miss in the lab, but your customers won't!
>
> I worry also about the common mode voltage that can result across
> the
> board and drive enclosures, cables, etc. This voltage will cause
> radiation that depends on a lot more that the board itself. Also
> common mode voltages can be developed from outside sources as
> mentioned above.
>
> There are probably thousands of modes to get in trouble with split
> planes of which the referenced paper covers a subset. You can
> cover
> many of the problems by not ever allowing a trace to cross the
> slit.
> Even DC signals like LEDs are generally too noisy to allow to
> cross a
> slit in many cases.
>
> Most of the examples of splitting up ground planes I have seen
> were
> not necessary and just caused problems (remember that at high
> frequencies everything is connected together whether you want them
> to
> be or not, lots of articles on my website about this effect).
> There
> are a few justified cases though. Video can be one example where
> the
> signal can be degraded by just a small amount of powerline current
> (hum bars in the video).
>
> In general, I would not recommend splitting planes unless you can
> state and MEASURE (to confirm) why a split plane is needed.
>
> Doug
>
> jose_moreira@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Nikhil,
> >
> > you can find the article on the IEEE xplore site (if you have
> acess) or =
> > in a library.
> >
> > Details:
> >
> > Signal propagation and radiation of single and differential
> microstrip =
> > traces over split image planes
> > Orhanovic, N.; Raghuram, R.; Matsui, N.;
> > Electromagnetic Compatibility, 2000. IEEE International
> Symposium on =
> > ,Volume: 1 , 21-25 Aug. 2000=20
> > Pages:339 - 343 vol.1
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jose
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Nagel, Michael
> > Sent: Dienstag, 26. Oktober 2004 16:39
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Split Ground Planes
> >
> >
> > Nikhil,
> >
> > There is a quite instructive paper with the title:
> >
> > Signal Propagation and Radiation of Single and Differential
> > Microstrip Traces Over Split Image Planes
> >
> > written by:
> > N. Orhanovic, R. Raghuram, N. Matsui
> > from: Applied Simulation Technology
> > e-mail: { neven, raghu, matsui} @apsimtechcom
> >
> > Unfortunately I have no direct link to the document.
> >
> > Generally spoken - the split plane itself may not be
> > harmful in terms of EMI unless you start routing=20
> > traces across the gap!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nikhil Patel [mailto:npatel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Dienstag, 26. Oktober 2004 15:40
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Split Ground Planes
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> > =20
> >
> > I have been doing a lot of reading on Split ground planes and am
> a bit
> > confused now. Do most people use just one solid ground in the
> schematic =
> > and
> > layout for EMI issues or do you prefer split ground planes? Any
> input is
> > greatly appreciated.=20
> >
> > =20
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > =20
> >
> > Nikhil=20
> >
> > =20
> >
> >
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