If you decide to use a 2 layer board without ground or Power plane...... it means that you are assuming to not have signal integrity problems or in other words you are assuming that your application is slow enough to not require any particular attention to SI. In this case simulation would just be an unecessary difficult and tricky task (no one can know in advance where will be the return current..., just to make an example) Easily this approach can lead to EMI problems... It would be much less costly use a 4 layer board with good PWR/GND layers that find EMI/SI problems when you'll measure the prototype... Giancarlo ________________________________ Da: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx per conto di Mohamad Haghtalab Inviato: dom 03/08/2008 23.50 A: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Oggetto: [SI-LIST] 2 layers PCB with no Plane(gnd or Power) Hi all How can we analyse(simulate) PCBs (transmission line effect ,calculatig Z0(SI/EMI issues)...) with 2 routing layers and between them(signal tracks)ground Islands(cupper fills...),what's the ground associate with each signal track,how can we predict where the return current of each signal will flow? Thanks for helping ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net <http://www.si-list.net/> List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu