Good point, I believe LTL actually latch/drive the receiver at the previous state rather than just the threshold change. That's the difference between Schmitt trigger and LTL. -----Original Message----- From: Dimiter Popoff [mailto:dimiter.popoff@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:11 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Hysteresis in SI (Signal Integrity)?? Chris, > ... > Back in the days when Bill Gunning and I were working on GTL. ... > ... > ... The idea was to increase the noise margin by forcing the > threshold to change based on the previous level. > When was that? The Schmitt trigger has been done on discrete parts prior to TI 74XX series, which includes 7413, 7414, 74132 (these are just the oldest I know of), all with an input hysteresis (and available today in various CMOS processes). Most if not all buffer parts (this was already mentioned, I just lost the message so cannot quote it) originating from the 74LS244, 245 etc. have Schmitt-trigger like inputs (i.e. with hysteresis). Another very popular hysteresis circuit used in the analog world is the one of an analog comparator (or perhaps an opamp used as such, i.e. with no negative feedback) with some positive feedback. To answer the initial question, the input hysteresis of a voltage sensitive buffer is the difference between the voltage necessary to turn the output from 0 to 1 and the voltage which will turn it from 1 to 0, where the former > latter. As it was already mentioned, this is a basic kind of knowledge, but then the thread length made me think that perhaps in todays world of narrowly profiled education the answer may be less clear than I believed. Dimiter -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dimiter Popoff Transgalactic Instruments, Gourko Str. 25 b, 1000 Sofia, Bulgaria http://transgalactic.freeyellow.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu