I've been asked to look at a tool called HyperLynx DRC, which (I think) is Mentor's incorporation of the QuietExpert rules (developed in collaboration with UMR?) into the HyperLynx Tool Suite. Anyway, I thought I might share a picture that grabbed my attention as I was scanning the documentation. http://frontdoor.biz/PCBportal/DRC.gif This is just one of many types of rules that HyperLynx DRC processes, and for this one the user can change the default frequency and distances shown in the table, and Mentor will just add up the segments that cross the line (D1 and D3) to set the red flag. For one thing, it seems fishy to just add D1 and D3 together. And is segment D2 really "OK"? Does the default .5 inch and 40 mil settings have some basis at 1GHz? Maybe that is enough questions for one SI post, but I can't help but comment on the fact that the I/O line is labelled as the victim. Maybe my board designer bias is showing, but I tend to think of the big bad outside world as the aggressor, and my sensitive circuit guts as the victim (at least that is true for some of the sensor-based boards I design here). I know it works both ways for EMC certification, and it is a big job to CONTAIN the frequencies being used today, but can this rule be made to work both ways? I imagine that these simple rule-based DRC checks look kind of silly to a simulator power user, but does this type of tool have any real value in the circuit board development process? Finally, It seems curious to me that this DRC module is MUCH more expensive than the SI and PI modules. Why would that be? What is more valuable about a rule-checker than a simulator? Jack Olson Caterpillar, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu