Ria, I'll take a stab it this. Passivity - a passive network that has no external power cannot add energy to a signal. If you look at amplitude vs. frequency for a passive network (e.g. s21 parameter), it should never go above one. I believe the math is more complicated than that, but this is the general idea. Anybody care to elaborate? Causality - a signal cannot traverse any transmission medium faster than the speed of light in that medium. This term comes from relativity where event A cannot cause event B unless it happens before event B. Besides nonphysical simulation results, models that have these problems can also give simulators numerical trouble. Has anyone on the list seen a set of publicly available canned routines for evaluating causality and passivity of s-parameters? Greg Greg Edlund Senior Engineer Signal Integrity IBM Global Engineering Solutions 3605 Hwy. 52 N, Dept. HDC Rochester, MN 55901 gedlund@xxxxxxxxxx ----- Forwarded by Gregory R Edlund/Rochester/IBM on 12/07/2007 08:00 AM ----- FreeLists Mailing List Manager <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 12/07/2007 01:19 AM Please respond to si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To si-list digest users <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject si-list Digest V7 #410 si-list Digest Fri, 07 Dec 2007 Volume: 07 Issue: 410 In This Issue: #1: From: Ria R <ria_rr_84@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [SI-LIST] Passivity/Causality ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Msg: #1 in digest Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ria R <ria_rr_84@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [SI-LIST] Passivity/Causality Gurus, I have heard these 2 terms alot in the world of SI: Passivity and Causality. I tried googling it and I dont seem to get what I am lookimg for. Can someone please throw some light on the definitions of these 2 terms and what significance they have in Signal Integrity? Thanks in advance, Best Regards, Ria. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ End of si-list Digest V7 #410 ***************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu