Depends upon what the voltage levels being used in the applicable immunity and telephone standards for the product. For air discharge breakdown, as a "Rule of Thumb" I use 1MV is 1 meter. 1KV is 1mm or 40 mils. And 8Kv is ... well ... 8mm. And 12KV is, well, 12mm. Very rough estimates. Tip geometry can greatly affect this. All follows Paschen actually for temp and pressure. Telco environs can be rough. Especially the Bellcore standards. Hmmm ... 12KV sounds strangely similar to an average street level power line voltage for a neighborhood which can run anywhere from as low as 2.4KV to as high as 24KV with the average about 12KV. Don't know. Just throwing out some ideas which come to mind. Someone anticipating some cross power condition like a telephone line crossing with a power line? Interesting. For sensitive inputs, I've been known to carefully calculate the separations required by the standards, then compare those separations needed to pass the levels of testing, then multiply the whole thing by 2 for a double safety factor if I can get away with it. But that's me. Although 12mm sounds big, I'm not sure what levels the surge and lightning tests might be. That would have to be checked. Personally, the more separation you can give me, the better. Even if I don't need it. Regards, Doug McKean ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu