This only applies to more exotic, expensive boards, but... If you have buried microstrip, don't let the vendor put the copper "thieving" over traces on that buried microstrip layer. It will have substantial impact on those traces. I.E., in the drawing below, don't let the vendor put thieving on L1 where it is above traces on L2. This also applies to lettering done with copper. L1: microstrip layer --- dielectric L2: buried microstrip --- dielectric L3: reference plane ----------------------------------- Also, I was surprised to hear it suggested to put a via (or more) in every fill square. I've never heard of doing that, and it sounds prohibitively expensive. But perhaps there's some VERY high frequencies at which it becomes necessary? This is an area where I'm skeptical, and would have to see some demonstration of a board with and without vias on every fill square before I took is as Standard Operating Procedure. Before I did that, I think I would abandon the fill altogether and find another way to deal with the issues that copper thieving addresses (board warpage, etching consistency, environmental concerns, are there more?). But, just because I haven't had to do it yet, doesn't mean I won't be doing it in the future. I never dreamed I'd be telling my vendor to not put copper over my buried microstrip traces... Jeff Loyer -----Original Message----- From: RayCaliendo@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:RayCaliendo@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:20 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Copper Fill Greetings, Does anyone know, from theory or experience, what are the affects on signal integrity or EMI, of putting copper fill in the open areas of the PCB top and/or bottom? Regards, Ray Caliendo EMC Solectron ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu