Some additional input on this subject. The loss associated with the cutoff frequency of higher modes is reflective in nature and not dissipative. It will occur in perfectly lossless xlines. The multiple reflections would cause a condition of resonance which practically lead to a reflection coefficient of |1|. Since a coax line would act as a bandpass filter; its maximum operating 'cutoff' frequency is associated with the lowest cuoff frequency of higher modes, the TE11. The equation quoted earlier in the thread, is an approximation of the TE11 mode cutoff frequency for coax lines. Regards Elie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu