I agree, but not with the part about being wrong before :>).."kidding". I think I recall Dan Swanson voiced his expert opinion on this topic a few months to a year ago. I didn't check the archives but there may be something still in there covering this very subject. Craig Clewell Sr. Signal Integrity Engineer FCI Electronics 825 Old Trail Road Etters, PA. 17319 ph: 717-938-7486 fax: 717-938-7224 e-mail: cclewell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx [mailto:Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 4:21 PM To: dhoovy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Board via characteristics (fwd) I have heard this claim before but not bothered to check it out. Why? From a conceptual or theoretical perspective it seemed inappropriate. Don't most 2D Field Solvers assume they are given the 2D cross-section of a structure which is long with respect to the analysis frequency? How do you take an appropriate 2D cross-section of a via? Seems to me a via is very much a 3D structure. But I've been wrong before. :-) Aubrey Sparkman Signal Integrity Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx (512) 723-3592 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Hoover [mailto:dhoovy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:50 PM > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [SI-LIST] Board via characteristics (fwd) > > > > > Gang, > > I was asked if I could forward this > question to the list for input. I'm a > fabricator that builds high speed PCBs > out of many different composites. I'm > also very curious about modeling vias > because I co-chair the IPC committee > on Controlled Impedance Circuit Boards and > High Speed Logic Design and during the last couple of > Conference Meetings this topic has > came up. I run a 2D Field Solver which I > believe can model for vias. Just never have > done it. > > Any and all response would be greatly > appreciated. > > David Hoover > Field Application Engineer > Data Circuit Systems, Inc. > (408) 280-0422 X233 > http://www.datacircuits.com > > > > -------- Forwarded message -------- > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 15:14:30 -0400 > From: dhoovy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Board via characteristics > > Dave: > > For Spice modeling purposes, we need the equivalent inductance and AC > resistance ( at 0.5 Ghz - 1.0 Ghz ) of a board via, > > length = 0.062 inches and diameter = 0.006 inches, no other parasitic > effects needed at this time. > > > Regards, > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu