[SI-LIST] Re: Ansoft Q2D and Swept Impedance Parameters

  • From: "Bill Beale" <beale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:59:50 -0800

Hi Doug,

It sounds like your doing the fast sweep.  If so, use a discrete sweep =
instead.  I have not seen that behavior with the discrete sweep.

Of course, the discrete sweep take a lot longer to run, so I usually run =
them over night.


Thanx,
Bill

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> All,
>    I have been using Ansoft Q2D to generate tabular w-element=20
> models for
> lossy striplines.  The  geometries are fairly typical of what=20
> you might
> see on a high-speed differential pair for a serial link on a=20
> backplane.
> I'm doing an impedance-sweep up to 20GHz.  For certain geometries, the
> frequency-dependent resistance is incorrect.  What I'm seeing when I
> plot R(f) is that above some frequency, say
> 1GHz, the impedance curve begins to "flatten out", and no=20
> longer follows
> the sqrt(f) relationship.  The flattening is quite significant.  Now,
> for a subset of these problematic geometries, increasing the=20
> # of iterations in the sweep mitigates the problem.  For the=20
> others, it
> appears that nothing can be done in the solution setup. =20
> Ansoft is aware
> of the problem (they say that it is a numerical one), but have
> not prioritized its resolution.  There are some non-ideal workarounds
> such as cutting the data off below some frequency and=20
> extrapolating from
> there...but I was wondering if any of you have seen this problem
> and if so, have you determined an effective solution?
> =20
> Thanks,
> =20
> Doug White
> Cisco Systems=20
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