Hi - At EchoStar we regularly design high speed 2 layer boards. We used Ansoft's 2D solver (now integrated into Q3D) to do all the required SI design (including cross talk). Of course a 2D tool cannot predict EMI - but any high speed design on a 2layer board will radiate more than a design that has planes - so a conductive enclosure may be required. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mohamad Haghtalab Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 3:50 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] 2 layers PCB with no Plane(gnd or Power) Hi all How can we analyse(simulate) PCBs (transmission line effect ,calculatig Z0(SI/EMI issues)...) with 2 routing layers and between them(signal tracks)ground Islands(cupper fills...),what's the ground associate with each signal track,how can we predict where the return current of each signal will flow? Thanks for helping ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu