[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: sables
- From: gsdlady28@xxxxxxx
- To: myjoygs@xxxxxxx, romance_german_shepherds@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:03:50 -0400
No....if you bred a sable to a black and tan and took a b/t from that litter,
then that dog would have gotten the b/t gene from the sable parent, not the
sable gene. If he had gotten the sable gene he would BE a sable.
Checkout the link below on color genetics in GSDs....
This gets into the more technical terminology and goes into diff saddle/pattern
types too, if you are interested...to keep it simple, I just explained the
basics of sables, b&ts, and blacks
http://www.jmadesign.com/Frankenhaus/colorgen01.shtml
here is an excerpt regarding dominance and sables:
"At each locus (in this case, the AGOUTI locus) a dog carries two genes. It
inherits one of those genes from its sire and the other from its dam. If a dog
inherits an "a" (or recessive black) from each of its parents it will be a
black. If it inherits an "a" from one parent, and anything else from the other
parent, it will be that other "color". In other words, a dog that has an "a"
and an "as" will be a saddle (or black and tan). A dog with an "a" and an "aw"
will be a gray (or what we call a sable). The dominance works its way up like
this through the whole list. In other words:
a + a = black (self color)
a + at = bi-color (tan point)
a + as = black and tan (saddle)
a + aw = sable (agouti)
at + a = bi-color (tan point)
at + at = bi-color (tan point)
at + as = black and tan (saddle)
at + aw = sable (agouti)
as + a = black and tan (saddle)
as + at = black and tan (saddle)
as + as = black and tan (saddle)
as + aw = sable (agouti)
aw + a = sable (agouti)
aw + at = sable (agouti)
aw + as = sable (agouti)
aw + aw = sable (agouti)
I left "B" and "ay" out of the chart. They are exceedingly rare, if not
nonexistant in German Shepherds. You can easily see how they would work if they
did turn up.
There are a few practical conclusions that you can draw from this chart:
sables can carry any other color and still be sables
a sable that has two "aw" genes can only pass on "aw" to its offspring... since
"aw" will dominate all of the other possible genes the puppies could inherit
from their other parent, they will be sables
two black and tans can never produce a sable (since if one of the parents had
an "aw" gene to pass on, it would itself be a sable
two blacks can only produce blacks "
Maggie Marshall
Aeval German Shepherds
http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html
Website Updated 03/21/2007
-----Original Message-----
From: myjoygs@xxxxxxx
To: gsdlady28@xxxxxxx; romance_german_shepherds@xxxxxxxxxxx;
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Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] sables
okay if you bred a sable to a B/T and then took a B/T from that litter would
that B/T possibily carry a sable gene??? and if bred to another B/T with a
sable gene would they have a sable in the litter???
-----Original Message-----
From: gsdlady28@xxxxxxx
To: romance_german_shepherds@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] sables
Sable is the dominant gene over all colors (except the white masking gene,
which
is not a color gene, but a gene that masks the phenotype or true color of the
dog, which I recently learned!) If a dog carries the sable gene, it IS a sable.
It may carry black and tan or black as well, but sable is the dominant gene,
therefore is the Phenotype of the dog. You can not get sables unless at least
one of the parents is a sable. (unless one of them is a white that carries the
sable gene)There are some sables that have black and tan markings and when they
grow up somtimes it is hard to tell if they are a poorly pigmented/washed out
black and tan or a sable, and I have seen dogs that are registered incorrectly
as a black and tan when they should be a sable.
Maggie Marshall
Aeval German Shepherds
http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html
Website Updated 03/21/2007
Subject: Sables
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:49:11 -0400
There are a lot of very smart people on this list. I would like to know
about the sable coloration.
I was wondering when you have a sable pup do both parents need to carry
sable or just one parent? this being both parents are not sable.
kerri
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