"I have had experience with seeing, owning and breeding GSD's with white parents. They are lovely dogs but they are not AKC conformation show dogs" I beg to differ with this statement. You mustn't be familiar with my AKC and Canadian Champion, Eclipse's Bittersweet Solitude who was from a white sire. You can see her here. http://eclipsekennels.com/GSD/females/soli.php Many judges would disagree that she wasn't an AKC conformation show dog as shown by her dual titles in both AKC and Canada. You can also check out this bitch that was from a white sire who was AKC pointed http://eclipsekennels.com/GSD/ourpast/liltater.php or this AKC pointed dog from a white sire http://faithfulshepherds.webs.com/major.htm You might also want to check out Dex, the No. 2 GSD in UKC last year missing No. 1 by one point. http://excellencekennels.com/our_boy.html He has a white dam. Breeding a white to a colored dog has nothing to do with the color but rather the quality of dog you are breeding. I think the examples above show that. I'd also beg to differ in regards to white GSDs not winning at shows where they compete against "colored" GSDs (like they can in UKC). Take Eclipse's Strength of Atlas. Atlas has been in the UKC Top 10 for GSDs for 8 years including being number 1 one year. He competes in an area that has a very large entry of GSDs. There's also been several other whites that have finished in the UKC Top 10 for GSDs. You can see this page for whites that have received their UKC CH, Grand CH, and Best in Shows at UKC shows. THis is in the state of MN when we usually have 20+ GSD entries at our shows with all types of GSDs (whites, German, Am Showline) http://ugsda.org/ourdogs/conformation.php Donna Beadle ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================