In a message dated 8/10/2005 7:47:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, daxobuff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: >>>.....How much is structural and how much is genetic? What percentage of dogs in the 60's or 70's faced this life-threatening > disability? Thought I'd give you some new food for > thought. <<<< How much of it is caused by the food the dogs are given? Leslye Morrow Shofar Shepherds & Shelties Not only food, but "management", (do dogs running in kennels and/or fence fighting and/or subject to a high stress environment have a higher incidence?), temperament, (type "A" dogs or nervous individuals?) condition (is there a higher incidence as dogs age or a bitch has had several litters because their stomach and supporting muscles etc., are more lax?) Do we do our young litters a favor by separating them from litter mates for grooming/nail trimming/alone time etc., raising their stress level, conditioning them to "stress" at a very young age? Do we do our dogs a favor when their is a stressful situation (a bitch in heat, and a male is a wackadoo) skipping the next meal and getting him as far away as possible from his source of stress? Ever notice there is a correlation between a dog's particular person's stress level and incidence of bloat? I know a dog who bloated when his owner went into labor. Put that one under stress...I just heard of a Sheltie who bloated before a big performance event...file that one under his person's stress level too...a Sheltie for goodness sakes! But then again, I was at the vets this week and a mixed breed came in for emergency surgery... In horses, we call it colic and it is (mostly) blamed on management. There's also some thought that changes in weather (barometric pressure) plays a role. Then again, some horses fear storms, their instinct is to go to higher ground, so when we confine them to a stall and they know a storm is coming is that yet another reaction to "stress"? There's a theory w/ horses that early infestations of roundworms causes scar tissue that later causes (colic)problems...which would fall under "management". I don't know if that would hold true for dogs, but I do know of a pretty nice dog who died on the table who was loaded w/ evidence of scar tissue. Since I knew we considered that in horses, I filed that tid-bit under "interesting". So, we've got heredity, management (food, general health), age and condition, stress level, maybe some incidences of weather which could be related to either barometric pressure or stress...take your pick... I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'll try to stay away from the hereditary part, do the controlled stress/conditioning thing w/ baby puppies, pay particular attention to management and conditioning and pray. Emphasis on the prayer part. I can't do a darned thing about the weather. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================