At 06:02 PM 8/11/05 -0400, Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx wrote: >Jill, >Just what do you propose as a means of identifying dogs that are going to >bloat??? I don't believe there is a means to absolutely identify a dog who will bloat, or who would have the predisposition to bloat, I doubt anyone can make that prediction with a high degree of accuracy and if they could, that would be one of the roads to resolution of the problem. > >Dont you think if this were possible it would have been addressed already. Not necessarily. Many problems that are knowingly perpetuated are overlooked for either emotional reasons (not MY dog), economic reasons (but I stand to lose a lot of investment or potential stud fees, etc) or just plain self-gratification - winning, the accolades of having a top ten stud dog or brood bitch, whatever propels people to continue to breed dogs with know problems, and they do. >It is easy for one tyo say do these things, but greater minds have been >working on this for 50 years...without any progress... >SOOO as a veterinarian I fell a preventive is better than nothing.. It's the "nothing" that is plaguing the breed - the continued breeding of animals who have ancestors and family who have succumbed to these problems, and have passed them on to their progeny time and again. I believe that a single incidental problem is just that and those kinds of incidentals will always be present in living beings. When a problem becomes pandemic, then the responsibility to try to eliminate, or at the least sensibly control that problem lies with the keepers of the breed. Perhaps a preventative is better than "nothing", my post was addressing the fact that preventative measures may, and likely do, hide problems in breeding animals, which does not produce healthier or better dogs in the long run. Would I use such supplements, or surgical intervention on a dog of my own if necessary for the quality of life of that dog? Absolutely, but that dog would not be used in a breeding program. >Perhaps you have not wittnessed a dog bloating..watching the agonizing >pain they experience and the pain of the owner as their dog dies... I have. As a veterinary technician for 8 years and a pro groomer for over 15, I have had been in the trenches. I also lost a puppy to mesenteric torsion, so the pain is very real. >I would like to circumvent both of the above...so preventing it is my >solution. I don't disagree that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, I only opine that masking a problem creates greater problems in the long term. Respectfully Jill Canada ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================