why are blues and livers not a DQ facter just whites. Curious. I don't see blues or livers in the conformation ring, they are serious faults but not DQ. What was the reasoning behind whites being DQ'd and not blues and livers? Because of the albino factor and possible health issues which were proven to be not true. MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: AGray40366 <AGray40366@xxxxxxx> To: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> Cc: Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 2:15 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: White GSD.....Awards I hear what you are saying. I respect the standard and the DQ's. My point s that the white color was original part of the creation of the gsd, and art of AKC conformation, we need to revisit the rationale for making it a DQ nd we find merit to the DQ keep it, it we find no health, genetic, onformation, dna, or pedigree problems with the DQ. Was our reason for making t DQ a solid one or a political one. If it was political, it's maybe time o quit punishing german shepherds that have a different color than the nes we see in the conformation ring. We all know or should know, many lines ave been known to produce whites, it's there, let's revisit what we gain r loose by keeping or changing this part of the standard. ll the distractions about blues, and stuff are just that, they were utants, never part of the breeding showing history, whites were, we rejected hem why? efusing to let women own property or vote was ok in this country once too, but that changed. t changed because women are people, just like men and if the constitution s to be believed, we should have equal rights and do. If the DNA and edigree base is to be believed, whites are GSD's, AKC says they are GSD, UKC ays they are GSD. what are we afraid of? IF you don't like them then don't ave one, it's really simple. The only way to keep people from breeding our tuff to lines we don't like, is don't breed our stuff to begin with. nn Schilling Gray n a message dated 2/8/2012 12:12:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, inehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: nn I don't have to check the history. A dog with a DQ may be a good dog ut PER OUR STANDARD it is NOT a good GSD. Do you not get it that the board waived this for not just whites but ALL Q's? =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================