This is Dyan Merkel's web site...................it wasn't that many years ago she was one of us , in fact she competed quite successfully on the National level. 1982 Grand Victrix Merkel's Vendetta. ________________________________ From: "cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 12:47:40 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: UKC GSD Breed Standard May 1, 2012 There are many illustrations out in cyberspace that refer to the hock joint as the hock and the metatarsals as the pastern. The drawings and pictures appear to be "Germanic" in nature, but I don't know the origin of the illustrations. I, myself, have never heard anyone refer to the metatarsals as a rear pastern. Seeing how the FCI refers to the metatarsals as the hock, it's not a European vs. American thing. Here's a website that uses an illustration that refers to the hock as the rear pastern: http://www.hausmerkel.com/Anatomy.htm Jackie, I'm not making light of anything, but I do believe, when it comes to this subject matter, we should "quibble over semantics." If anything, just to avoid confusion. PaulETTE McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: <barbara17236@xxxxxxx> To: <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx>; <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:34 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: UKC GSD Breed Standard May 1, 2012 I have never heard of the hock as a pastern. And, the standard addresses the rear pastern and the hock. It is very confusing, to say the least. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Short-Nguyen <marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> To: medusasmom1 <medusasmom1@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: barbara17236 <barbara17236@xxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] UKC GSD Breed Standard May 1, 2012 Is there a reason for making fun? I know many people who refer to the hock as the rear pastern. I think the important part is that the UKC standard is addressing a serious functional issue. -- Jackie & Jonathan Nguyen Marcato German Shepherds S Konzert vom Drachenberg, CD, RN, CGC, SD "Strauss" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ; SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================