[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Toxic Gut-- long
- From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx
- To: candiasgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx, AKeller97@xxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:51:30 EDT
Have had several people write wondering about dogs recovering from toxic gut
since last night.
I had never had toxic gut until moving from Canada to Texas 3 years ago. I
had had 1 bloat back in 1974 - no surgery, dog lived.
I lost a 2 year old male to TGS 3 weeks after arriving in Texas. I was
determined I would find out everything I could and not let this occur again if
I
could help it. Like Candy, I took my dogs off food with soya in it back in
the early 80's, and 2 years ago stopped feeding anything with corn in it... I
do not know if I have avoided some issues as a result or been lucky. I feed
a great food now, almost holistic and still have cropped up with a problem.
Genetic? I honestly do not think so, I think environment may be a big
player. Any dog that has bloated or had TGS here has been during very hot
weather,
dogs not eating quite as well as they could, more intense panting, having
been wormed just recently, some outside factor such as severe drops in
barometric pressure, dynamiting nearby causing extra stress. Every case. I
cannot
say any of the above a contributor, but just an observation.
The 2 yr old I lost I had taken to an emergency clinic...was told he was
poisoned. I knew it was not possible. They simply put him on IV and observed
him...he died 7 hours later, bad death, lot of pain. I was furious - I had
begged for them to open him up. I took him elsewhere for an autopsy - he had
toxic gut and had bled in.
Last year, had a 4 yr old male who had acted completely normal just suddenly
become lethargic, staggered and threw up. I had had a chat with Dr. Krueger
- he said get a mega dose of flagyl into him fast. I did that and 2 hours
later, started an IV with antibiotics to flush the dog out and take the toxins
out of the blood. The dog lived, still here today and in great shape. That
dog had been treated for 1 yr prior for EPI. He is now on a lower dose of
enzymes and blue green algae. Very low fat food and is great.
This last male on Monday was fine at 900 AM, normal activity. Came in the
house and went back out for breakfast at 1100....very high energy dog. He was
walking slow....took a temp, normal. Checked gums -- they were very dry and
he was literally fading before me. Got the dose of flagyl into him and gave
subQ fluids while en route to vet. Did blood work - only thing out of whack
was ALT (liver) at 171, slightly elevated. Possible suggesting some
necropsy. I had to tell the vet to xray - there was a lot of fecal matter in
the
bowel. He gave an injection of reglan - I insisted on an enema to clean it
out
and re xray to be sure there was no torsion. I wanted him to start an IV -
he did not think it was necessary. He had no idea what he was dealing with.
I brought the dog home, started the IV, carried on with flagyl and reglan,
and as stated, he is still alive. Since last night he is back to eating
almost normal, good energy level. Right now I still have him on reglan and
1000 mgs of Flagyl 2xd. As I said, I do not know if I have had the golden
goose
looking out for me or lots of prayers.
Hope this helps some of the rest of you when faced with this......quick I.D.
of the situation is paramount. As Zoe said, she did not figure any could be
saved once you saw symptoms. You have to be able to catch the slightest
change quickly and act fast. I do not think most vets in the past have put
enough flagyl into the animal....medical texts call for 1000 mg 2 xd.....not
enough for the first couple of doses. Feed that amount in your heads.....250
mgs to 8 lbs - it could save your dog too. And keep lactated ringers on hand,
even if you can give it subQ, they need fluids fast. The IV will bring the
blood pressure up so if you are able to do a hook up, do it post haste.
Luck to all.....
Molly
Trillia German Shepherds
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