I have personally lost 2 GSD's from Toxic Gut. Since the day I quit feeding any food with soy in it I have never had another occurence. You can tell me this had nothing to do with it, but I am completely convinced it does and no one will ever change my mind. I have never had one of my GSD's bloat or torsion. The puppies I lost from Toxic Gut were a 10 month old female and a 6 month old male. Both dogs were glassy eyed, disoriented, weak, stumbling and salivating when I found them. The female was rushed to the vet, where she tried to get a vain to start an I.V. That was futile. The dog had no blood pressure. While the vet tried to insert the I.V. she had me "bag her" to try and get some oxygen into her. She died within minutes. My vet did a necropsy and felt that she had been poisoned because her intestines were totally rotten. At some point I got on the internet and was told to have the samples sent to a lab to check for Toxic Gut Syndrome. The lab confirmed this. A year or two later the same thing happened again with the 6 month old male. This time my regular vet was out and her equine associate was on call. The male died within hours. Both dogs appeared fine just hours earlier. I have been told that they cannot be saved with surgery or treatment. Maybe that thought has changed since this happened several years ago. It's a horrible death and something I don't ever want to repeat. Again, I have not had this happen again since pulling my dogs off of food containing soy and I have the same bloodlines. CandyZ --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================