In a message dated 8/21/2005 2:20:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, haringp@xxxxxxxxx writes: As I thought, I did receive one not so nice email asking me what I had to gain by disclosing this information. To this person I say, too many of our beautiful GSD's die of torsion every year. It is devastating for the family or breeder that owns the dogs. I have watched one of my own dogs (many years ago, a pet) die of torsion and, at that time, I didn't even know what it was. It was awful for my husband and I, not to mention our poor girl L'Toya who had to suffer. We had the vet open her up in surgery, even after he told us there was nothing he could do for her. What we saw was horrible. Her stomach had flipped and all the blood circulation had been cut off to all organs, etc. around it. Much of her "guts" inside were already black from lack of circulation. We had him euthanize her while she was under sedation. Les and I cried for days and our remaining girl, Luba, just moped around as she had just lost her best friend. Education is the key to eliminating mesenteric torsion from our breed. So, to this person I say, the reason I posted was to educate and inform. I also would like to say I hope you are happy for the grief you caused yesterday. Petro Haring Petro, I am so sorry you had to deal with nastiness re disclosing the loss of your much loved Duncan. The sooner we all realize there is "stuff" in every pedigree and are able to honestly disclose what we have experienced, the sooner conscientious breeders will be able to breed away from problems and spare themselves and their puppy buyers the heartache you (and others) have experienced. Sweeping everything under the carpet does no good at all:( Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================