Part of the reason I wish that more people would show at specialties, is that, while the Championship Certificate says nothing about where the dog won, the OWNERS do. If i inquire about puppies and ask about parents, I hear about all the achievements....and then the breeder tells me where the points came from! Maybe some of you don't do it, maybe some of you don't NOTICE that you do it, but it's what I hear. I'm always more skeptical of a dog that got it's points from one ring or the other, instead of both. What can I say, I'm a bit cynical - Jackie Marcato Shepherds Where it's about function, not flash ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================