I love ruminating... it makes one think a bit deeper. We probably should remember that the Conformation Dog (those that breed for that ideal and that ring), provides only a fraction of the dogs that are used (and bred for) other work. They (those other breeders) breed to their ideal, which isn't necessarily towards what most of the listers on this list breed. If a breeder wants to breed for what they believe should be in the homes of those to whom they sell their dogs, then, of course, that's what they should do. If that overlaps into a winning dog, then coming in the back door would be a wonderful prize. It's a wonderful U.S. (yet!) where we haven't succumbed to a breed warden or have our dogs cast out because we choose to breed our choices. I don't know why breeders look at who's winning and breed to that goal. I know some do, maybe many... I don't know that. My goal in the few litters of my burgeoning breeding career (cut off at the gate), was to breed to that which I found beautiful, healthy and good temperamented. (not a word:). I was more sucessful in my first breeding than in the next ones. I tried to get to the finish line too fast. Rambling... back to procrastinating about whatever I'm procrastinating about. Storm On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:08 PM, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > The perfect GSD based on our standard has never been produced is a > statement that most will agree...new question....is our standard a > standard that measures the complete idea of what our dog should > be?....a herding dog,a working dog,a protection dog......most > puppies bred by conformation breeders do not go on to become AKC, > CKC conformation Champions...most never see the show ring...are > these dogs not worthy?....the show dog is the exception, not the > rule......most of us have never played professional sports, those > individuals who have, for the most part are physically larger or > stronger or faster than most of "US"....are we not worthy based on > the human standard...and yes I agree my analogy is a bit > extreme...and I am not comparing us to dogs........we created ALL > PURE BRED breeds...and that is not a bad thing.......we spend so > much time trying to protect our image of what we believe our dog > should be and close off the beliefs and opinions of what others > believe.....a > nd that goes even more so for the breeders of so-called working > GSDs........ALL GSDs are working dogs!....She is a working breed, > and in my opinion second to none.......the 2013 World show in OUR > country is the perfect opportunity to show everyone just what a > wonderful dog we have....we have far more in common than we > think......I hate e-mail communication.....I could have expressed > this better in person.......Ed ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================