In a message dated 12/18/2005 9:12:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx writes: Just want to know about STRUCTURE wise, which bitch would you want to use in your breeding program. Structually one bitch has a good front and back and nothing else going for her, she's square and boxy. The other bitch has the topline, back, beautiful croup and tail set, NOT an elbow reacher, but could use a better lay back of shoulder, comes from a strong producing line. Both well bred, both good hips. So once again, they got everything that you want in their pedigrees - health, mind, temperament. I'm just asking about structure - that's all. Which one would you want in your breeding program all other things considered equal and why I can't answer because it is a trick question. Just like in My Cousin Vinnie. I would need to know what is behind each bitch. What she may have, or look like makes no difference when breeding her. What else was in her litter, and what did the sire and dam have? Was she representative of her pedigree, or an exception? Without those answers I would only be breeding for phenotype, and that would be a mistake. I would imagine what I want to, and then pick the bitch I decided had the best pedigree. Of course I also would have to imagine the pedigree of the male too. That is way too much imagination for someone of my age. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================