In a message dated 12/3/2005 4:31:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: It is not so objective in judging that all honest judges with a full understanding of the breed, will put up the same type of dogs. Even then two judges who select the same type, may often go with one or the other, and one might go first and the other second. But, if you have a judge one day who will favor type, and the next day one who will favor movement, you may loose a number of entries for both shows. It is too expensive today to travel to shows where you only have a chance at points one day. Although there are a number of exhibitors who will only enter under one of two judges, or who will bring a dog for each day, and not enter both shows. It sounds great to say a good judge will always put up the best dog, but the truth is that judges are human, the standard leaves a number of issues to be determined, and there are some great honest judges who see things differently. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan Well said, Evan. There are many shows where you see a 4th place dog one day go Winners the next. And other shows where the same dog is consistent in winning. Whether you are showing in AB or Specialty, knowing what a Judge likes in a dog is the key. That only comes from experience and showing a lot under as many Judges as you can. You can then learn their likes/dislikes. Another variable is how a dog performs on a given day. My boy is a perfect example. He can show beautifully one day and be a total jerk the next. Even if he has everything else going for him, how can a judge reward a dog he/she can't honestly evaluate. He doesn't deserve to win that day. I totally agree that judges who can draw good entries on both days are a plus to any club. Let the handlers/owners decide if their dog(s) will be what that judge likes and enter what they will. I have dogs I won't show under certain circumstances (indoor shows) or judges. I have another who, until recently, only did AB shows. I do both and I pick and choose the best I can. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. That's the dog game. Laura Thomas http://www.treasureranchgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================