In a message dated 8/15/2005 2:32:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, Stormy435@xxxxxxx writes: Barbara, the standard isn't being changed....the Illustration of the Standard is being worked on. And I think to rush this Illustration just to present it at the National this year is dead wrong. If the previous Illustrated standard lasted for 50 years, then think of the future 50 years if these illustrations are not correct. My question....Have there been changes to the standard in the past 50 years that negates the previous illustration? If so, what changes were they and what part of the past illustration is not to the standard. Just asking? The Illustrated Standard IS the Standard. Having a different "format"( Illustrated vs Pocket )doesn't change it The Standard is The Standard,and our By-Laws say that any changes in By-Laws,or the Standard MUST go to the membership. In answer to your question-yes,we changed the Standard so that White GSD were a disqualification--and that went to the membership for a vote.But that is in Orrie Norness' Illustrated Standard. So what we have is just fine. Helen Miller Fisher ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================